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What is the problem with Vo2max est on SV?

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    Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Egika
    last edited by 25 Oct 2023, 08:17

    @Egika But why did it work so well with my Suunto 9 Peak?

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      Egika Platinum Member @Frederick Rochette
      last edited by 25 Oct 2023, 08:40

      @Frederick-Rochette that is a good question… It would probably require digging into the JSON or FIT files of your individual activities…

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        Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Egika
        last edited by 25 Oct 2023, 11:11

        @Egika could someone here help me look at this?

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          stromdiddily Gold Members @Egika
          last edited by 25 Oct 2023, 13:04

          @Egika ooooooh you said November 😉

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            Stefan Kersting
            last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 06:55

            I see that my vo2 max differs when on the mill or when running on the street. On the mill it is a higher than on the street

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              Jacobus @Frederick Rochette
              last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 09:19

              @Frederick-Rochette The ‘‘problem’’ with VO2 Max is that you also have to go to the maximum for a correct measurement.
              It’s not called VO2 Max(imal) for nothing.

              If you take a VO2 Max test with a sports doctor, you have to give yourself maximum effort until you really can’t do it anymore, on an increasingly faster treadmill, which is very difficult.

              While you run they often also do a lactate test to determine your threshold/lactate heart rate.

              If someone’s maximum heart rate is 180bpm, your threshold is probably around 160bpm and then you have to reach or exceed that value during your weekly interval and threshold run.
              And then a Suunto watch should give a correct VO2Max value.

              Running a test in youre Aerobic zone or walking will always give an incorrect value.

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                Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Jacobus
                last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 10:49

                @Jacobus I completely agree with you and I would like to point out that I do between two and three threshold sessions a week, either on the track or hill sessions, but my Vo2 Max is always 51.9… so?

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                  Egika Platinum Member @Frederick Rochette
                  last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 10:52

                  @Frederick-Rochette so, most likely as stated above: the FirstBeat algo did not like your workout enough to update VO2max… 😢

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                    Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Egika
                    last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 11:07

                    @Egika However, I had a different data almost every time I went out with my S9P, so I don’t understand what’s going on. In any case, no one here is able to find me a solution, just give me generalities and try to show me that I’m using my watch incorrectly.
                    However, it seems obvious that there is a problem of estimation with this SV.
                    Am I the only one to have identical data after each run or do you have different data, even with very little difference?

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                      Egika Platinum Member @Frederick Rochette
                      last edited by Egika 26 Oct 2023, 11:29

                      @Frederick-Rochette said in What is the problem with Vo2max est on SV?:

                      @Egika However, I had a different data almost every time I went out with my S9P, so I don’t understand what’s going on. In any case, no one here is able to find me a solution, just give me generalities and try to show me that I’m using my watch incorrectly.
                      However, it seems obvious that there is a problem of estimation with this SV.
                      Am I the only one to have identical data after each run or do you have different data, even with very little difference?

                      While your basic concern is the “stuck” value, I think those generalities make sense to discuss anyway. Some very good remarks regarding VO2max in this thread 👍

                      Regarding your identical values question: Yes, I have those as well sometimes. That’s what I meant in my comment above:
                      “Regarding the “stuck” values:
                      I found that the watch just keeps the old value, if data collected was not enough for a new calculation.”

                      It is not your individual watch, but a systematic thing.
                      For me, the values are not always stuck though. That’s why I suspect the FirstBeat algorithm to not accept every workout. But you are right. It’s just educated guessing here.

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                        Jacobus @Frederick Rochette
                        last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 12:02

                        @Frederick-Rochette Ihave also a Vertical and with me the data changes a little bit every time i completed a training, it is not stuck as you can see.
                        When i am training for a marathon the value wil rise bij maby two or tree points or soba642232-70ad-4770-a6bc-1ab0b529545c-1698320964787.jpg image url)

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                          Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Jacobus
                          last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 13:34

                          @Jacobus stuck for me…
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                            isazi Moderator
                            last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 13:37

                            Mine is also changing.

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                              Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @isazi
                              last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 13:39

                              @isazi and before with my s9P…
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                                isazi Moderator @Frederick Rochette
                                last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 13:56

                                @Frederick-Rochette you’ll get a new VO2max algorithm in few weeks for what I heard.

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                                  Tieutieu Platinum Member
                                  last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 14:21

                                  Seems to work for me. vo2max can be improved, of course, but you don’t change it a lot easily or quickly. It’s a long term work.
                                  Large drop for me in may (S9B=>SV switch), and then it progressivly came back to my « average values ».
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                                    Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Tieutieu
                                    last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 14:24

                                    @Tieutieu so it’s clear tha I have an Issue

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                                      Tieutieu Platinum Member @Frederick Rochette
                                      last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 14:28

                                      @Frederick-Rochette have you tried to uninstall and reinstall the Suunto app ?

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                                        Egika Platinum Member @Frederick Rochette
                                        last edited by Egika 26 Oct 2023, 14:29

                                        @Frederick-Rochette I have both. Stuck and changes.
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                                          A Former User @isazi
                                          last edited by 26 Oct 2023, 14:54

                                          @isazi Even the 9 Peak Pro?

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