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    What is the problem with Vo2max est on SV?

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    • JacobusJ Offline
      Jacobus @Frederick Rochette
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      @Frederick-Rochette The ‘‘problem’’ with VO2 Max is that you also have to go to the maximum for a correct measurement.
      It’s not called VO2 Max(imal) for nothing.

      If you take a VO2 Max test with a sports doctor, you have to give yourself maximum effort until you really can’t do it anymore, on an increasingly faster treadmill, which is very difficult.

      While you run they often also do a lactate test to determine your threshold/lactate heart rate.

      If someone’s maximum heart rate is 180bpm, your threshold is probably around 160bpm and then you have to reach or exceed that value during your weekly interval and threshold run.
      And then a Suunto watch should give a correct VO2Max value.

      Running a test in youre Aerobic zone or walking will always give an incorrect value.

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      • Frederick RochetteF Offline
        Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Jacobus
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        @Jacobus I completely agree with you and I would like to point out that I do between two and three threshold sessions a week, either on the track or hill sessions, but my Vo2 Max is always 51.9… so?

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          Egika Platinum Member @Frederick Rochette
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          @Frederick-Rochette so, most likely as stated above: the FirstBeat algo did not like your workout enough to update VO2max… 😢

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          • Frederick RochetteF Offline
            Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Egika
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            @Egika However, I had a different data almost every time I went out with my S9P, so I don’t understand what’s going on. In any case, no one here is able to find me a solution, just give me generalities and try to show me that I’m using my watch incorrectly.
            However, it seems obvious that there is a problem of estimation with this SV.
            Am I the only one to have identical data after each run or do you have different data, even with very little difference?

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              Egika Platinum Member @Frederick Rochette
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              @Frederick-Rochette said in What is the problem with Vo2max est on SV?:

              @Egika However, I had a different data almost every time I went out with my S9P, so I don’t understand what’s going on. In any case, no one here is able to find me a solution, just give me generalities and try to show me that I’m using my watch incorrectly.
              However, it seems obvious that there is a problem of estimation with this SV.
              Am I the only one to have identical data after each run or do you have different data, even with very little difference?

              While your basic concern is the “stuck” value, I think those generalities make sense to discuss anyway. Some very good remarks regarding VO2max in this thread 👍

              Regarding your identical values question: Yes, I have those as well sometimes. That’s what I meant in my comment above:
              “Regarding the “stuck” values:
              I found that the watch just keeps the old value, if data collected was not enough for a new calculation.”

              It is not your individual watch, but a systematic thing.
              For me, the values are not always stuck though. That’s why I suspect the FirstBeat algorithm to not accept every workout. But you are right. It’s just educated guessing here.

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              • JacobusJ Offline
                Jacobus @Frederick Rochette
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                @Frederick-Rochette Ihave also a Vertical and with me the data changes a little bit every time i completed a training, it is not stuck as you can see.
                When i am training for a marathon the value wil rise bij maby two or tree points or soba642232-70ad-4770-a6bc-1ab0b529545c-1698320964787.jpg image url)

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                • Frederick RochetteF Offline
                  Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Jacobus
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                  @Jacobus stuck for me…
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                  • isaziI Offline
                    isazi Moderator
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                    Mine is also changing.

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                    • Frederick RochetteF Offline
                      Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @isazi
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                      @isazi and before with my s9P…
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                      • isaziI Offline
                        isazi Moderator @Frederick Rochette
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                        @Frederick-Rochette you’ll get a new VO2max algorithm in few weeks for what I heard.

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                        • TieutieuT Online
                          Tieutieu Platinum Member
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                          Seems to work for me. vo2max can be improved, of course, but you don’t change it a lot easily or quickly. It’s a long term work.
                          Large drop for me in may (S9B=>SV switch), and then it progressivly came back to my « average values ».
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                          • Frederick RochetteF Offline
                            Frederick Rochette Bronze Member @Tieutieu
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                            @Tieutieu so it’s clear tha I have an Issue

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                              Tieutieu Platinum Member @Frederick Rochette
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                              @Frederick-Rochette have you tried to uninstall and reinstall the Suunto app ?

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                                Egika Platinum Member @Frederick Rochette
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                                @Frederick-Rochette I have both. Stuck and changes.
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                                  @isazi Even the 9 Peak Pro?

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                                  • stromdiddilyS Offline
                                    stromdiddily Gold Members
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                                    This is potentially not really an issue as we have been told the algo is changing yes?

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                                    • Stefan KerstingS Offline
                                      Stefan Kersting
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                                      As you can see vo2 max varies and I’m not stucked. But as you can see too I have lower levels when there is much ascend. So this is something to think of.

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