Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update

SuuntoR

Yes I have heard also that Suunto support has advised to do so. And I did this also. For me it seems the sleep tracking was better when rest HR was minimum HR of the night. Thinking should I change it back or not it’s funny that e.g. @Iggge has had a different answer from Suunto than you. And also the manuals suggest to put minimum heart rate there… So little bit confused and thats why would like to hear Suuntos view once more, which one is it that supports their algorithm best.
And if it is like you have been told, update the manual also.

Also intresting point you have there, if this “resting heart rate” affects also some other numbers… for my level of sports it’s not needed a super detailed or accurate metrics to tell me how i have recovered or developing, i’m not a professional. But after all, the metrics are there, Suunto sells watches with these metrics and it’s a matter of 10-12 bpm difference… so would be nice to hear how these products should be used correctly.

Egika

As stated before in another thread:
Suunto devs told me that resting HR value is not used in the sleep tracking algos. It just does not appear in the formula.

SuuntoR

@Egika

Ok, thats new information to me (and it sounds also new information for quite many more Suunto users in this thread and also Suunto support)! Thank you, and thanks for actively answering our concerns here

Likarnik

I have my resting HR set to 45 and last night my min HR was 47 and still gained 65% resources and my sleep hours are correct. Maybe awake is a bit long (23min), but I had trouble setting in on couch in the middle of the night when my 2year old kicked me out of my bed I never had problems with sleep time, only once maybe. And only difference with new algo are higher resources and no stress

Mff73

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

Just fyi to all here. This topic is tracked to improve the current solution.

So my ask is only to keep the scope and add any valuable feedback if possible.

Hi,
any clue of what could be a valuable feedback ? anything in particular to test or note ?
I think it is not useful to tell each morning how many awake hours we have which seems not right (i speak for myself only) ?
I have this night 1h33 awake time, while i am pretty sure to sleep well (still i was awake twice to just go the toilets and fall asleep surely quickly( not remembering waiting too much).
Any particular technical insight for suunto to “investigate” ?

SuuntoR

@Mff73

For me the biggest gaps between Suunto Race (I know im in a wrog thread but propably the same alghoritms) and Oura ring have been those “falling back to sleep” misses with suunto. For example if my son wakes me up in the early morning but we both fall back asleep, SR has quite often thought that I have started my day then. But SR did get a new update yesterday and at least this morning also SR understood that after picking up some milk to my son (so i stood up etc) and going back to sleep, I really fell asleep again. So only one night, but it seems promising with SR for me at least

Iggge

Did talk again with Suunto yesterday. Now they told my to set my HR higher, so I did
From 50 before to now 65. Same results. Sleep is 3 hours and 35 min when in reality I went to bed 2320, was asleep before midnight and then woke up at 0600.
However this night I had to go up to fetch some medicine to my daughter, and after that I went back to sleep at 0450. Took about 1 min and after that my watch thinks that that was morning for me and did not record any more sleep.
I’ll trybit again tonight to see if it works better

Likarnik

Are you guys pressing any buttons to check time during sleep hours?

Mff73

@Likarnik said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

Are you guys pressing any buttons to check time during sleep hours?

yes, just the middle one, to activate backlight, not to fall in the night

Likarnik

@Mff73 can this be connected to wake hours? I use my phone to light my way to the WC Just food for thought…

Mff73

@Likarnik
it can for sure.
I checked deeper in my history, and i may now think that MY sleep tracking is just not good since i switched from S9PP to SV (mid May) and maybe finally not really linked to latest FW.

[Edit] and with S9PP i used also a middle button to backlight during awake times

Iggge

@Likarnik i am not pressing any buttons (what I am aware of)

jannis

@Mads-Hintz-Madsen thank you! Almost, as this is the average heart rate. I wish they would show the minimum heart rate for a longer time period than just the last 7 days.

SuperFlo75

@Likarnik I don‘t press any Button during the night, because I‘m afraid this could let the watch think I want to get up…

Mff73

No button press this night (i didn’t fall ), and 5h29 awaken time.
So, nothing new.
Next week i will try to sleep with SV + S9PP and see.

Dušan Ković

This is second night after the update. I think the sleep tracking improved. Last night was spot on.

We will see in the next few nights how it will work, but it looks like it works well.

Mads Hintz-Madsen

@Dušan-Ković I think that you are talking about the Race. This thread is for the Vertical which uses different algorithm. Just wanted to point this out to avoid any confusion

Iggge

This time i think The watch actually got it 90% right ️
Only thing that is wrong is when I went to sleep. It’s about 30-45 min wrong. But this is acceptable for me.
This night i actually did put The watch on my under arm, and it seems to have made the trick.

Dušan Ković

@Mads-Hintz-Madsen oh, sorry, I somehow switched parts of the forum

Tieutieu

@Mff73 said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

No button press this night (i didn’t fall ), and 5h29 awaken time.
So, nothing new.
Next week i will try to sleep with SV + S9PP and see.

Sleep tracking still ok for me with my SV. And I sometimes press buttons at night to look at the time (I have “do no disturb” activated at night), it has never stopped the tracking or shortened my nights.