Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.38

@Mff73 thanks, makes sense.

Swaddy61 · 9 Dec 2023, 10:55

I find the Sleep Tracking on my SV isn’t ‘exactly’ correct, but overall gives an impression of how I slept. i.e. a bad night tends to have less sleep hours, and a good night more, but the actual figure shown tends to be different to how many hours I know I slept. If it needs to be exact to calculate other parameters (like Recovery) then perhaps that is an issue, but the other parameters seem to be an accurate reflection of how I feel, so…

Sleep Tracking was slightly worse on my Coros.

AnonVerticalOwner · 11 Dec 2023, 06:56

I continued to test various theories, but to no avail. Sleep times, time awake, and wake up times all continue to have sporadic 1-3h deviations. Avg. sleep has gone down from 6h+ to 4h-.

Sleep data genuinely got trashed by the update Now it appears various people in the S9PP update thread have started experiencing it too. Perhaps a “known issues” list would give everyone some reassurance.

Do we have any (un)official word from Suunto on this issue? (aside of this thread being tracked, that is)

Iggge · 17 Dec 2023, 06:44

Tonight my Vertical did record 0h of sleep.
My new watch, Galaxy watch6 classic got 7h and 12 min of sleep…

Brad_Olwin · 20 Dec 2023, 17:36

@Iggge This does not help us……help you. How is the watch set up?

Brad_Olwin · 20 Dec 2023, 17:38

@Jeffrey-Tillack Sell the Ultra, but wait until Apple pauses sales. I got rid of mine. Love the smartwatch part but just not good enough for sport use. Should easily cover the cost of a Solar Vertical!

Iggge · 20 Dec 2023, 18:57

@Brad_Olwin have answered that a little higher up. Have been testing some various HR and have everything on.
However, after the new update the watch have been spot-on

DrSilverthorn · 20 Dec 2023, 20:26

I’m running 2.30.38. I typically wake several times during the night. I’ve noticed that the watch will track one or two segments of sleep per day only. It doesn’t track more than two segments of sleep per day. As an example, let’s say I had:

Day 1:
2200-2315
2315-
Day 2:
-0100
0115-0350
0400-0530

1002-2310
2314-
Day 3:
-0015
0030-0200
0205-0350
0400-0533

The watch might record:
Day 1: 2200-2315
Day 2: 0400-0530, 1002-2310
Day 3: 0205-0350

It never tracks more than one segment per day, per sleep session. I hope this is clear.

Edit: changed firmware to 2.30.38

Brad_Olwin · 20 Dec 2023, 20:32

@DrSilverthorn This is old firmware, you should update to the newest firmware.

Brad_Olwin · 20 Dec 2023, 20:32

@Iggge Excellent

DrSilverthorn · 20 Dec 2023, 21:34

@Brad_Olwin My mistake. I am using the latest firmware. Corrected in original post.

Iggge · 21 Dec 2023, 05:42

Third night with the new update, and again my Vertical shows correct sleep analysis.
This is really good news! Good job Suunto!

AnonVerticalOwner · 21 Dec 2023, 05:51

@DrSilverthorn This seems to be similar to what I’m occassionally experiencing with mine. The days I sleep like a rock are accurately tracked started to end (though rarely any awake time). The days where I toss/turn or get up during the night, it’s either reporting a segment, as you describe, or random-seeming times.

AnonVerticalOwner · 21 Dec 2023, 06:45

I performed another hard reset ca. a week back and calibrated the OHR by getting a variety of (3-5 HR zone) activities in early. In combination with the update, more days were tracked accurately or accurately enough.

However, it still seems too unstable. Average sleep time is up 1h from before the update, so that’s an improvement, but it remains under the 6h average it should roughly be (and has previously steadily been since the Vertical’s release).

For what it’s worth, the last 7 days in review:

F: Spot on. (07:47h)
S: Nowhere close. (00:59h, 01:47 - 02:47 and no awake time, versus expected 5-6h with up to 1h awake time)
S: Close enough. (04:59h, ca. 30m early on the wake up time)
M: Close enough. (07:38h, guaranteed to have been awake, but no awake time tracked)
T: Spot on. (05:16h)
W: Not quite. (05:21h, wake up time stated to be 06:08, but overslept til nearly 08:30; did not get up at 06:08, no gaps or spikes in HR data)
T: Nowhere close. (00:53h, 01:31 - 02:24, yet I went to bed at 22:30, passed out rather quick, and got up at 04:08. There’s a gap in the HR tracking and that always seems to throw off the algorithm entirely; did have the watch strapped properly)

Min. HR rate has been 46 on average. HR while writing this message on the sofa is 55-62. Resting HR set to 60 since last hard reset.

Tieutieu · 22 Dec 2023, 07:51

@AnonVerticalOwner Question : was that the first display you had when you woke up ? Didn’t the watch (and SA) got your sleep time updated a few time after ?

Let me explain :
last night I felt asleep at 10:22 pm and got awake to have a drink (for those who may ask : water only ) about one hour later. I then got asleep again until 7:24 am this morning.

The first display when I woke up was my first one hour sleep period. But few minutes after my sleep time has been updated to 9:08 hours sleep, including 4 minutes awaken.

Every time I have such “awake” period at night, the watch behaviour is this same way.

Well, for me sleep tracking works really better since update. Before those kind of sleep/awake/sleep again period were not always tracked very well.

RaDeck · 22 Dec 2023, 08:00

@AnonVerticalOwner
Great analysis! I have much, much better results since the update as well! My sleep summary also pops-up straight after I dismiss the alarm as it, previous to the ‘bigger 2.3’ update, was. I’ve had 2 nights of less exact data: what I found out is that a tight strap is key (I saw you mentioning this factor on your last record). Otherwise a BIG improvement on my end!
I also did a hard reset last week as I was experiencing fast battery drainage (full battery lasting me 3-4 days max without ‘specific’ usage). I recalibrated the % while updating the watch (charge to 100% from 12&%) and now it’s the first time in 5 weeks that I own the watch that battery consumption is aligned [Consumption: roughly 8% / day under ‘normal’ use]

Iggge · 22 Dec 2023, 08:22

This night i got 6 hours of sleep, thats “wrong” with about 40 min. That’s 100% acceptable for me so I am really happy with this new update.
I have resting HR at 60 and my sleeping window is between 2300-0800.
This night i went to bed late, and was asleep around 0130. The watch got this 40 min late, otherwise it was spot-on.

Altso my steps are better after the update. When I woke up the watch shows 23 steps.
Before the update sometimes the watch said I had been walking around 500 steps during the night.

So again! 2.30.38 update was awsome!

Swaddy61 · 22 Dec 2023, 15:44

I concur that sleep tracking seems to be more accurate since the update. I couldn’t say ‘exact’, but then I am very good at lying quite still whilst reading, early in the morning, which my SV often thinks is still sleeping, but I accept that!

AnonVerticalOwner · 22 Dec 2023, 20:36

@Tieutieu Sadly hasn’t been the case! The 0:53h and 0:59h days are the final values (edit: the others too)*, and the “good morning” screen seemed to have happened during the night already on those days. I do experience what you’re describing on occasion, though. It’s great when it catches those scenarios and updates the values!

@RaDeck Good to hear!

Whether it’s due to 2.30.38 or just the calibration catching up, last night was spot on again — progress, progress.

Jeffrey Tillack · 23 Dec 2023, 00:17

@Brad_Olwin I have misgivings about buying the Ultra for sure. But for everyday life in a city it actually has proved worthy. And now that I’ve been diagnosed with a heart condition it probably is going to earn its purchase one day.

But yes, I think next year at some stage there’s a Vertical or a Race in my future.

Oh and the Ultra is crap at sleep… every day it’s way out. Yet my old Baro faithfully gets it right day after day!