Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.
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I understand perfectly what you mean. In my case, with the 9PP, there are also times when those “little whims” get me out of my mind.
You are right about wasting the screen. Frequently the size of the texts is not optimized and they look ridiculously small. Which, for practical purposes (in motion), makes the information displayed useless. @Brad_Olwin defends that he sees them perfectly, but he will understand what we say. This becomes especially palpable when following structured training. In which, in addition, the lack of a repetition counter means that you practically have to train blind. Without mentioning the absence of the threshold warning.
On the other hand, I also miss the possibility of configuring screens with one or two unique fields. And I agree with you that the solution of using Big Numbers is not a solution at all.
Another thing that I don’t like how it works, and that you haven’t mentioned, is the “turn by turn” which, given the way in which the information is offered, makes it absurd and useless.
And finally, the CTL synchronization problems, and so on, I can’t even tell you how annoying it is.
Then in the application there are things that I dislike, such as a certain lack of logic in the order of data presentation and other small issues. Although little by little I see progress.
Having said all this, and what really bothers me, at the moment I am still compensated by the quality of the watch itself as an object and the minimalist approach. So I will continue to give my vote of confidence to Suunto.
Suunto 9 Peak Pro (all black version)
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@enriqueescoms said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:
but he will understand what we say.
No never ever
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@enriqueescoms said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:
I understand perfectly what you mean. In my case, with the 9PP, there are also times when those “little whims” get me out of my mind.
Me too…
You are right about wasting the screen. Frequently the size of the texts is not optimized and they look ridiculously small.
What about the size of the time text during any activity?
Having said all this, and what really bothers me, at the moment I am still compensated by the quality of the watch itself as an object and the minimalist approach. So I will continue to give my vote of confidence to Suunto.
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@enriqueescoms I agree with text size in S+ apps, it is too small but for watch screens I am OK. Vibration and counter in intervals I and many other testers have requested, hopefully planned.
I do not know why TSS and CTL is off by one day for some. I have a watch running production firmware and it works for me but is fixed for all in the next update. -
@Brad_Olwin when the next Update will come? All say the new Update, the new Update. But noone have actually a new update
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I must be the only one who feels that the size of data fields is too large on 9PP as the numbers are crammed together without enough space which makes it hard to read.
For example - when using 4 fields, top two fields just stack together like a one long number.
In 3 fields, top and middle field are almost identical in size making it hard to differentiate between the fields contents and significance.
All this is in regards to reading the fields quickly, without taking time to decipher the screen.
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@David-l said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:
So, with deep regret, I’m having to go back to a Fenix X. Suunto Race for sale if anyone is in the UK.
I come to the same conclusion every few days… but for now I continue with the Race.
By the way, good luck with the sale, second-hand prices for the Race are very low.
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@GiPFELKiND It will come when testing is completed and Suunto releases it.
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@Brad_Olwin I understand you cannot share much but is there any change in relation to display brightness in sleeping mode?
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@vjakub said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:
I understand you cannot share much
Here you have your answer
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@Luis-Andés-Olmedo and @Matúš I understand you have valid reasons to go back to Garmin. The two companies differ dramatically in their philosophy, design and UI. Don’t expect Suunto to Garminize or Garmin to Suuntofy. You should be satisfied with what you have. Hardware, firmware and the apps will change but the underlying foundation will likely not.
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@Brad_Olwin said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:
@Luis-Andés-Olmedo and @Matúš I understand you have valid reasons to go back to Garmin. The two companies differ dramatically in their philosophy, design and UI. Don’t expect Suunto to Garminize or Garmin to Suuntofy. You should be satisfied with what you have. Hardware, firmware and the apps will change but the underlying foundation will likely not.
Theres nothing wrong with the foundation - the watch is really good but there issues with it that mean it sometimes isn’t fit for purpose.
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@Matúš said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:
@enriqueescoms said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.
Having said all this, and what really bothers me, at the moment I am still compensated by the quality of the watch itself as an object and the minimalist approach. So I will continue to give my vote of confidence to Suunto.
@Brad_Olwin, I’ve never said that I want to go back to Garmin, indeed, I am keeping my
concerning the consolidation of the Suunto platform.
I’m quite well with my 9PP, i.e., I do not need/want any other Suunto or whatever competitor watch, but, let’s say, I will be definitely happy when Suunto will be able to fix all(most) the bugs related to watch(es) basic features.
In an other thread, someone has said something like “Suunto has to sell products not 100% bug-free in order to reinvest the income in the R&D of features (that everyone want) and new watches (that everyone want)”: overlooking the need of new watches (I’m the type of guy which has not to change any device each year…) ok, that’s good, but what I’m seeing is that the majority of the users on this forum are complaining about certain lacks in the watches base software, nothing more.
So, just saying, many think that watches updates to fix basic problems should be preferable, let’s say, once a month and not once every three months, but including the feature to be able to run on the Moon across the space.
Suunto 9 Peak Pro Titanium Slate
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Unfortunately i’m on the same way to go back to Garmin, bug fixing is too slow, you can’t wait months for fixing bugs from small one to major one. Considering life cycle of these devices you passes half of their lifes waiting for bugfix until all features work as it should. Watches are great but software development is awful.
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@renton82 Luckily I have found a buyer for my Garmin Epix2. There are some bits like AOD full watch-face or a way the watch behaves during the sleep mode that would be nice to have in Suunto (at least optional) but none of these change the fact that I’m still in love my SR
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@vjakub I have never sold my Garmin, you can sold it to another one.
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@Matúš Basically agree
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@renton82 Haha, apologies for the confusion. I didn’t mean you
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With all the respects to everybody and agreeing that everything that is introduced should work but in my opinion most of the complains here are small things that most of them is said that will be solved in the next update and doesn’t degrade the sports usefulness of the watch (which in my opinion is the most important thing)
You can be a little bit pissed because CTL is one day off but for me will be worst if instant pace or altitude is not reliable.
On the other hand, honest question, instead of saying what make you leave Suunto I ask you what make you choose Garmin (or other brand)? What has this other brand that if far better and a decision point to go with them?In my case I’m pretty pissed with my Garmin (530 edge) disconnecting every now and then from the sensors, restarting from time to time mid activity, the stupid rerouting system when you actively do not follow the loaded track among other things. I do love the integration with Strava segments and ClimbPro (it is a pity the delay that it has in %ascent/descent when using ClimbPro).
BTW I completely agree that Suunto should improve the text size in structured workouts and add the step number (as intervals.icu does)
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@cosme-costa said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:
With all the respects to everybody and agreeing that everything that is introduced should work but in my opinion most of the complains here are small things that most of them is said that will be solved in the next update and doesn’t degrade the sports usefulness of the watch (which in my opinion is the most important thing)
You can be a little bit pissed because CTL is one day off but for me will be worst if instant pace or altitude is not reliable.
On the other hand, honest question, instead of saying what make you leave Suunto I ask you what make you choose Garmin (or other brand)? What has this other brand that if far better and a decision point to go with them?In my case I’m pretty pissed with my Garmin (530 edge) disconnecting every now and then from the sensors, restarting from time to time mid activity, the stupid rerouting system when you actively do not follow the loaded track among other things. I do love the integration with Strava segments and ClimbPro (it is a pity the delay that it has in %ascent/descent when using ClimbPro).
BTW I completely agree that Suunto should improve the text size in structured workouts and add the step number (as intervals.icu does)
I’m quite happy with the watch and waiting for fixes but when you don’t know what fixes should be coming, it’s like asking how long is a piece of string.
The issues I have are not little for me.
