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      duffman19
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      100% agree. I’ve been commenting on the poor implementation since I got my Vertical. It’s hard to imagine that there are people who tested this feature and decided, “Yes, this works well.” There are some glaringly obvious solutions that just never seem to get implemented.

      I’ve given up on it for now.

      Vertical Ti

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        slurpnik
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        I agree with your points @thanasis - I have also given up on using this feature completely.

        The biggest annoyance is when I forget to turn it OFF for a new route I create, only to find out when I start the activity…

        Watch: Suunto Vertical (titanium solar canyon)

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          Audaxjoe @slurpnik
          last edited by

          @slurpnik you can turn off turn by turn during the activity. As I found out the other day when I forgot to turn them off 🤣

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            thanasis Bronze Member @Audaxjoe
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            @Audaxjoe do you mind sharing the guide here so that people refer to it when needed ?
            Thanks

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              duffman19 @thanasis
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              @thanasis I believe you have to pull up the route on the Suunto App, uncheck “Turn-by-turn guidance,” and the route will re-sync without the turn notifications, even in the middle of an activity. One of the great features of the navigation implementation is that routes can be updated on the fly.

              Vertical Ti

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                far-blue Bronze Member
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                100% agree. It’s even more confusing on the older watches that don’t have a map to refer to. It’s been raised many times in the forum and no-one can understand why you get the notification for the next turn just when you are supposed to be taking the previous turn. While less of an issue with breadcrumb nav I can certainly see why covering the map with a turn notification would be frustrating. It would certainly be useful to have both the current and next turn available to show as a ‘tooth’ or even as their own screen to view any time rather than having to remember the notification.

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                • isaziI Offline
                  isazi Moderator @far-blue
                  last edited by

                  @far-blue totally agree, except the “no-one can understand why you get notifications for the next turn”. That is just the default waypoint behavior of the watch, that shows the next waypoint when you get to the current one. Unfortunately the TbT navigation is just based on waypoints, so the behavior is that one. To have something that really works waypoints and TbT should be separated, the same way climb guidance is separated from the waypoints (at least from the UX point of view).

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                  • AudaxjoeA Online
                    Audaxjoe @thanasis
                    last edited by

                    @thanasis as above. Just open the route, turn off guidance and it will resync.

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                      sky-runner Silver Members @thanasis
                      last edited by sky-runner

                      @thanasis The right solution would be to continuously show the next turn at the bottom of the map the way Garmin does it. The distance remaining to the turn must continuously update. Then there may be an optional notification right at the turn, but it should be possible to turn the notification off.

                      In general notifications are hugely distracting when running on a technical terrain. I prefer to just keep the map open and glance on it from time to time, at least that is how I use navigation on Fenix. Navigation should be usable without notifications.

                      I still remember how angry I was at my Suunto 9 Baro which kept popping notifications about weak GPS signal during a race when I was super focused on running fast in the dark to the finish and not catching a root with my foot. I couldn’t spare even a second to slow down and discard the notification so it just kept obstructing the view of the data.

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                      • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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                        There are improvements coming asap

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                          thanasis Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
                          great to hear (read) that!

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                          • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @thanasis
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                            @thanasis at least it should be better imo, but still far from perfection

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                              gerstlauer Bronze Member
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                              Just wanted to add my disappointment with this as well, though it’s good to see there may be changes imminent.

                              I bought my Race S mainly for navigation and turn by turn, but it’s implementation is really poor, as you’ve all shared here. Hopefully this will be fixed soon.

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                              • Mister PYCM Offline
                                Mister PYC Silver Members @Audaxjoe
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                                @Audaxjoe Hello How did you do to turn it off ?
                                and still see the nevigation ? did you used SNAP to ROUTE instead of ROUTE ?

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                                  Fenr1r @Mister PYC
                                  last edited by

                                  @Mister-PYC Disable the TBT toggle for the route in the App before syncing.

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                                    GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in turn by turn ... A Major Letdown in Navigation:

                                    There are improvements coming asap

                                    Hopefully not again with more Bugs again

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                                      GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in turn by turn ... A Major Letdown in Navigation:

                                      @thanasis at least it should be better imo, but still far from perfection

                                      😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 Not much better?!

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                                        Miroslav Miliuškevič @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos When Improvement will come?

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                                          Marco 4
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                                          The suunto engineers seem to be unwilling /unable to solve the tbt issue. I already posted my comments to them regarding tbt 2 years ago using a s9b, nowadays I use the S race, very disappointing that it is still an issue. How difficult can it be to show the upcoming tbt AFTER the actual one is taken, can someone explain to me??? I love my race, but for navigating it really is a f…nightmare.

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                                            Audaxjoe @Marco 4
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                                            @Marco-4 I navigated from Zagreb to Rotterdam with the Vertical. But totally agree with you, my solution is to turn the TBT off and just follow the line.
                                            I find this works perfectly and also now the tooth on the maps shows distance to next waypoint which I’d have as a cafe/town etc.

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                                            Suunto 9 BARO
                                            Garmin Fenix 3, 5
                                            Suunto Vector

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