turn by turn ... A Major Letdown in Navigation

far-blue

100% agree. It’s even more confusing on the older watches that don’t have a map to refer to. It’s been raised many times in the forum and no-one can understand why you get the notification for the next turn just when you are supposed to be taking the previous turn. While less of an issue with breadcrumb nav I can certainly see why covering the map with a turn notification would be frustrating. It would certainly be useful to have both the current and next turn available to show as a ‘tooth’ or even as their own screen to view any time rather than having to remember the notification.

isazi

@far-blue totally agree, except the “no-one can understand why you get notifications for the next turn”. That is just the default waypoint behavior of the watch, that shows the next waypoint when you get to the current one. Unfortunately the TbT navigation is just based on waypoints, so the behavior is that one. To have something that really works waypoints and TbT should be separated, the same way climb guidance is separated from the waypoints (at least from the UX point of view).

Audaxjoe

@thanasis as above. Just open the route, turn off guidance and it will resync.

sky-runner

@thanasis The right solution would be to continuously show the next turn at the bottom of the map the way Garmin does it. The distance remaining to the turn must continuously update. Then there may be an optional notification right at the turn, but it should be possible to turn the notification off.

In general notifications are hugely distracting when running on a technical terrain. I prefer to just keep the map open and glance on it from time to time, at least that is how I use navigation on Fenix. Navigation should be usable without notifications.

I still remember how angry I was at my Suunto 9 Baro which kept popping notifications about weak GPS signal during a race when I was super focused on running fast in the dark to the finish and not catching a root with my foot. I couldn’t spare even a second to slow down and discard the notification so it just kept obstructing the view of the data.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

There are improvements coming asap

thanasis

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
great to hear (read) that!

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@thanasis at least it should be better imo, but still far from perfection

gerstlauer

Just wanted to add my disappointment with this as well, though it’s good to see there may be changes imminent.

I bought my Race S mainly for navigation and turn by turn, but it’s implementation is really poor, as you’ve all shared here. Hopefully this will be fixed soon.

Mister PYC

@Audaxjoe Hello How did you do to turn it off ?
and still see the nevigation ? did you used SNAP to ROUTE instead of ROUTE ?

Fenr1r

@Mister-PYC Disable the TBT toggle for the route in the App before syncing.

GiPFELKiND

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in turn by turn ... A Major Letdown in Navigation:

There are improvements coming asap

Hopefully not again with more Bugs again

GiPFELKiND

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in turn by turn ... A Major Letdown in Navigation:

@thanasis at least it should be better imo, but still far from perfection

Not much better?!

Miroslav Miliuškevič

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos When Improvement will come?

Marco 4

The suunto engineers seem to be unwilling /unable to solve the tbt issue. I already posted my comments to them regarding tbt 2 years ago using a s9b, nowadays I use the S race, very disappointing that it is still an issue. How difficult can it be to show the upcoming tbt AFTER the actual one is taken, can someone explain to me??? I love my race, but for navigating it really is a f…nightmare.

Audaxjoe

@Marco-4 I navigated from Zagreb to Rotterdam with the Vertical. But totally agree with you, my solution is to turn the TBT off and just follow the line.
I find this works perfectly and also now the tooth on the maps shows distance to next waypoint which I’d have as a cafe/town etc.

dankcushions

As a new Race S owner, seeing that the issues I have with navigation have been around for a year (or more?) is really disheartening. It feels like with some really trivial fixes things could be improve drastically, yet apparently things have stagnated, with little reason to expect improvement.

Another thing I have found is that it’s impossible to edit existing routes. If you create a route and realise you’ve slightly messed up a section, your only option is to undo everything until that part. Even that option isn’t available if you’re coming back to a previously-created route. I suppose one could use another app to edit the gpx route but this feels like basic functionality that any human using the app would quickly require.

mapping is the specific functional selling point of the Race S at this price point. if this part worked properly I could perhaps live with all the other weirdness. I really hope we see some movement, here.

pavel.samokha

@dankcushions said in turn by turn ... A Major Letdown in Navigation:

As a new Race S owner, seeing that the issues I have with navigation have been around for a year (or more?) is really disheartening. It feels like with some really trivial fixes things could be improve drastically, yet apparently things have stagnated, with little reason to expect improvement.

The issue is known and planned to be improved. Hard to say when exactly, but planned

@dankcushions said in turn by turn ... A Major Letdown in Navigation:

Another thing I have found is that it’s impossible to edit existing routes. If you create a route and realise you’ve slightly messed up a section, your only option is to undo everything until that part. Even that option isn’t available if you’re coming back to a previously-created route. I suppose one could use another app to edit the gpx route but this feels like basic functionality that any human using the app would quickly require.

You can edit route. If you have some section you don’t need any more you can long press on planning points you have in that section and move them to a new place

Audaxjoe

@dankcushions someone on here have a great tip. Sometimes if you add one planning point and move it the whole route changes. Which is annoying. But if you add three, the one you want to move and two lock points you can then edit a section without the whole route changing
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