Watch unusable in wind

[Brad_Olwin]

@duffman19 said in Watch unusable in wind:

@Brad_Olwin said in Watch unusable in wind:

Not that simple when skiing fast or paragliding!

Then can’t there be different parameters or filters for different activities? If it’s a run, bike, walk, or other slowish land activity, a simple filter ignoring sudden drastic changes in elevation makes sense to me. All I know is that I’ve tested this by quickly dunking my Suunto under water side-by-side with other brands and the Suunto is the only one that registers big elevation changes.

@Brad_Olwin said in Watch unusable in wind:

I would not recommend jumping in water with a run or bike sportmode, do a mode fast switch to swimming and the issue will not happen.

So if I’m out on the trail and reach down into stream to splash some water on my face or clean off some mud, I should switch to a swimming activity? These are the scenarios I’m referring to where an improved filter would be of service. And I would imagine this would improve the elevation performance in windy situations as well.

I did not say that! I stated “jumping in water” not dipping your hand the water.

[duffman19]

@Brad_Olwin said in Watch unusable in wind:

I did not say that! I stated “jumping in water” not dipping your hand the water.

Gotcha. My point was that dipping the watch in water does in fact cause elevation spikes, very similar to windy conditions as others have outlined here. And this is what should be addressed.

[Brad_Olwin]

@duffman19 I have not experienced this filling many water bottles, ever. It may depend on the watch, if the baro holes are exposed directly to fast moving water I can imagine how that would affect the sensor. Seriously, in the summer and fall I run almost every weekend in the mountains and fill my bottles multiple times as well as wash off my hands. Never had this happen.

[mlakis]

Would disabling the barometric sensor be an easy addition as a feature from Suunto?

[duffman19]

@Brad_Olwin I believe you. I have replicated the behavior in my kitchen sink, though. A second or two after dropping my Vertical in a bowl of water adds 100+ feet of elevation. Could just be my watch, though. I’ll see if I can make a video later if I have time.

[sartoric]

@duffman19
Have you ever cleaned it ?

[duffman19]

@sartoric said in Watch unusable in wind:

Have you ever cleaned it ?

Yes, after almost every activity.

Here’s a quick video demonstrating the difference between the Vertical and my 955. Both are actively recording a “Run” activity. You’ll notice both watches immediately register the pressure difference when entering the water, but only the Vertical counts this towards the activity’s total ascent/descent.

https://imgur.com/a/P9Ooomk

And pics for quick reference:

The 955 appears to apply some sort of filter to disregard the sudden and dramatic pressure changes. I imagine something similar would be beneficial in windy conditions as well.

[Brad_Olwin]

@maszop On Saturday I did a Ski Tour wearing my Vertical on the outside of my jacket, it was covered in snow for about 1/2 of the tour. I wore the Race S under all of my clothes on the other arm. Uphill both watches were constantly subjected to pole plants and the Vertical to moderate winds in addition to the snow and water accumulating on the watch. Both gave nearly identical elevation gain data. (Similar for a trail run today where both watches were exposed with wind). I realize you have an issue but I do not unless the winds are extremely strong (enough to impede progress or blow you over!). Below is a screenshot of the altitude profile and photos of the conditions. elevation in meters

[Brad_Olwin]

@duffman19 How deep was the water?

[maszop]

@Brad_Olwin Just because you don’t have a problem doesn’t mean others don’t. I thought we had already reached that conclusion. Are we back to the denial phase again?

This also applies to other problems reported on the forum that you probably don’t have.

For me the problem is easily repeatable, strong wind is enough. It could be a matter of differences in terrain, different climate, whatever. Garmin and other manufacturers also of various applications simply smooth out the data and have fairly reliable results.
Suunto has been looking for some Holy Grail for years, without success unfortunately.

[sartoric]

@maszop said in Watch unusable in wind:

Just because you don’t have a problem doesn’t mean others don’t. I thought we had already reached that conclusion. Are we back to the denial phase again?

Really ?
Please tell me you’re trolling.

Since reported use cases are just seen as “issues denial” I don’t think there’s anything more to discuss here.
As already advised, closing as garbage time is already reached (and not because I’m trying to hide or deny any issue).

@duffman19
Maybe open a new thread with that specific case.
I’ve tried with mine and ascent is rising (obviously) but not that fast and that much.
I’ve got something like 7/10 meters in almost 1 minute and a half (in ~10cm of water)