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      The_77 Silver Members @far-blue
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      @far-blue exactly that same issue. I could always uninstall/reinstall the app if it has been fixed, but ZS has no update since December.

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        Jan Suchánek
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        Today I got strange drop of ZS value while speeding up for two minutes. I’ll expect opposite direction even with delay…
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          Gabriel Rodríguez @Jan Suchánek
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          @Jan-Suchánek you started running downhill. It’s not surprising that your pace increases and the effort decreases. I always like going downhill, somehow it feels like going South.

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            wakarimasen Silver Members @Gabriel Rodríguez
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            @Gabriel-Rodríguez said in Suunto ZoneSense:

            I always like going downhill, somehow it feels like going South.

            There speaks a LOTR fan 🙂

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              Jan Suchánek @Gabriel Rodríguez
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              @Gabriel-Rodríguez
              Even if it was downhill (it´s almost flat), my effort surely didn´t go down, because for me, it was running fast at very high HR which I can´t stand for longer time… I´ll see next runs. Overall I´m satisfied with Zone sense.

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                Gabriel Rodríguez @Jan Suchánek
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                @Jan-Suchánek your mileage may vary of course, but this is something I see myself in my runs if the descent is sufficiently steep, and also depending on how technical it becomes (i.e., how much I am willing to trade off speed vs structural integrity of my teeth). I find that during very steep and/or technical descents I am never limited by effort, even if I try to keep it up.

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                  Gabriel Rodríguez @Jan Suchánek
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                  @Jan-Suchánek I took a second look at your plot, and I think that the increase in pace is indeed correlated with an increase in ZS, just a couple minutes later? I mean, if you allow for ZS to have a “two squares” delay in the time axis, doesn’t it fit what you would expect?

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                    Jan Suchánek @Gabriel Rodríguez
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                    @Gabriel-Rodríguez
                    It could be like You said.

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                      Mff73 @Jan Suchánek
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                      @Jan-Suchánek
                      I also looked at your graph, and noticed a relative slow down in pace before this downhill and it high pace one.
                      Thus, to me, it may explain ZS fall down as ZS seems to behave very quick to slowing efforts, and then took more time to “see” or display the hard new effort (needs time to re-accumulate while needs less time to recover = your are fit 😂).
                      Hey, just own feeling, but I also admit it is not easy to handle in real time, it is like a new way of thinking metric)

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                        2b2bff
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                        Today I used ZoneSense in a 10km race and it helped me push further that I did before.

                        It was the first time I used ZoneSense in a race. The run started quite fast and after the first few km my HR was quite high, so I thought about getting a bit slower to not get too exhausted too soon. With those thoughts I switched to the ZS screen and it was in the greens. So I kept pushing…

                        I finished with my fastest 10k ever. 🙂

                        Would have been a perfect story, if my Race S would have kept recording the complete race. At about 8.5km I looked at the watch and the Vertical Week watch face looked back… 😞
                        So I started another run activity and now have two FIT files with about 90 seconds data missing… I wonder how I merge these and fill the gap…

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                          Audaxjoe @2b2bff
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                          @2b2bff excellent news with the time. Try GPX editor to merge them. I normally use Garmin Basecamp to join files, but not sure if that is still about.

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                            2b2bff @Audaxjoe
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                            @Audaxjoe Thanks. The tools I tried, yet struggle with the gap in between. You would have thought that this is easy to fill with averages… Will take a look at Basecamp…

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                              VoiGAS Silver Members
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                              Tried Zonesense again today. It showed yellow during the warmup (blue zone) then lowest green during the more intense uphills. This time with a new belt, proper warmup and no short intervalls.
                              Also the anaerobic threshold doesn’t seem realistic to me.
                              Maybe it doesn’t work for everyone, no idea what to try else. I don’t need it as power and heartrate are sufficient for my training - but still I would very much like it to work


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                                halajos Bronze Member @VoiGAS
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                                @VoiGAS have you tried Runalyze to check R-R data for this run? You can also check DDFA index over time or as function of HR.

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                                  SamuelP Bronze Member @VoiGAS
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                                  @VoiGAS have you done “calibration” runs?
                                  I noticed a huge improvement with zonesense when i did 3 super easy 30-45 min runs under aerobic threshold.

                                  After doing this my app and watch shows the same time spent in green yellow and red. Before those runs the data between watch and app was way off.

                                  I did those runs after watching suuntos videos about zonesense. He explained to do a few low intensity runs to calibrate the watch. 😊

                                  Worked for me🥳

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                                    VoiGAS Silver Members @halajos
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                                    @halajos data in Runalyze looks pretty good - just the first 10 minutes are a mess…


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                                      VoiGAS Silver Members @SamuelP
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                                      @Samuel-Pirttikangas interesting, I will try with the next recovery runs


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                                        halajos Bronze Member @VoiGAS
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                                        @VoiGAS if the R-R data in first 10 minutes is bad, then it messes up ZoneSense calibration. Does the R-R data continue to be bad if you continue to run with the same pace as during warmup? Does the R-R plot become better if you increase effort? Might that indicate some kind of arythmia? Do you wet the HR strap before putting on? Do you use the Suunto smart sensor? You might try a Polar H10, is known for reliable measurements.

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                                          VoiGAS Silver Members @halajos
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                                          @halajos After 10 minutes the data gets better all the time - like magic. Suunto Smart belt, I always wetten it. But you could be right, I thought the bad data is the reason Suunto skips the first 10 minutes…
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                                            halajos Bronze Member @VoiGAS
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                                            @VoiGAS no, ZoneSense uses the first 10 minutes (should be low effort) to calibrate your baseline, that’s why it’s excluded.

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