Software Update 2.43.8/.12 (2025 Q2)

[isazi]

@atoponce reported to Suunto, waiting for comment (but seems to be acknowledged)

[Miroslava]

@Artus-Diver I remember when you were writing this proposal, ideally, how could we support your proposal?

[2b2bff]

Having a nap while sleeping, again.
This is two nights ago…

[aiv4r]

@2b2bff are you sure that these are not different evenings/nights?
I have some similar ones, but first line is the night (from yesterday to today) and the second line is today today.
At least frim this picture your nap does not interfere with your night sleep

[Artus Diver]

Thank you very much @Miroslava for your support, it’s nice to hear.
Unfortunately I don’t know how to do it.

Yes, I’ve been asking about it for some time now and unfortunately NOTHING.

Maybe guys: @pavel.samokha, @Egika, @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos, @isazi, could help us because I’ve received a lot of technical support from them recently.

I think that if Suunto implemented a swimming style learning algorithm, this topic would be closed.

In addition, I also asks for heart rate zones specifically for swimming.

Note that if you do a maximum of 3 disciplines “running”, “cycling” and “swimming” there is no problem with heart rate zones.

However, if you do more than 3 disciplines, unfortunately you have to constantly change “Standard Zones” between other disciplines.

It is very inconvenient, irritating and time-consuming.

Apart from the above, it would be nice to have a “good !” tool for exercises with a board without using your hands, but after publishing Suunto Plus “Swim Drills” which don’t work, you can forget about it (…).

By the way.

I test the swimming algorithm every day and I have the impression that the current 4.43.12 is more sensitive?

Yesterday on a 4km swim it added +25m, today on a 4km swim it added +50m.
Of course it doesn’t happen often but on the 2.40.44 algorithm it wasn’t wrong at all.

I also have the impression that the “segment time” summary is incorrect, I’m testing it.

Thank you @Miroslava for your cooperation.

[GiPFELKiND]

@2b2bff how you set your sleeping times? I set mine earliest time 8pm and latest Wakeup at 8 am. I never had a nap in this time. Try it with other times.

[atoponce]

@atoponce said in Software Update 2.43.8/.12 (2025 Q2):

@far-blue I decided to downgrade. I’ve got the Chicago Marathon coming up and I train by power. I don’t want to be second-guessing my power reading or babysitting the watch during my workouts.

Settings > General > About > scroll to bottom > hold bottom button a few seconds > secret menu appears > Select OTA pkg.

I had a few installed, and selected the .8 release.

The bug seems to have persisted despite the downgrade. On my run this morning, the power was dropping to zero every 45s - 1m. Every time I looked at my watch, it was either showing “0” watts or just climbing up from 0.

I don’t think this is a problem with my Stryd foot pods, but I do have my old Stryd wind version I can test, and I can also test my current Stryd Duo pods with my old Suunto 9 Baro to help eliminate variables.

However, because of the very frequent power drops, I decided to upgrade back to .12 so I can at least have the track calibration features when doing track work.

Hopefully we can figure this out, because this sucks and the timing for me could not have been worse.

[Mister PYC]

@Artus-Diver Hey a swimming guy like me …
Me also I dream to have some improvement for swimmers but in fact very very basic
these ones :
A GIANT big single information to see underwater when I swim with my foggy lenses and my impaired eyes still the distance I swim, then the time it is and then the duration …
If you think this is what you wish also do tell me

Amelioration Une ecran avec une seule information.pdf

[Mitch9]

My activities are recorded with swim style “Apnoe” but I swim just freestyle. Anyone else have the same strange swim style detection?

[Likarnik]

@atoponce and I train with power on my bike, just tested today. Avg and normalized power on watch are different than in SA (except NP data from SuuntoPlus app). You can’t pace a climb with this bug

[far-blue]

@atoponce My thinking is that it might be related to the gps firmware update. If a separate device within the watch such as this has a firmware update I don’t know if a downgrade of the watch firmware would also downgrade this separate device. Same argument if the bluetooth is handled by a separate component of the watch.

[Albert de Jongh]

I think there may also be a bug with the “Interval Workouts” you can program in the mobile app. I have used “Lap button press” under Duration for some steps in my workouts, and this worked well. In the new firmware pressing the lap button does not end an interval - it just records a new lap in the workout.

Is anyone else seeing this?

[atoponce]

@far-blue I was wondering if it’s a Bluetooth patch that shipped with .12 but is absent in .8.

However, regarding GPS, I don’t use GPS for pacing—I use the Stryd pods. This is why I’m skeptical that it’s a problem with the pods as my pace never drops to zero but remains consistent the whole run. I guess it could be possible that when the pace disappears from the pods, the watch immediately switches to GPS so I don’t notice the drop. I wouldn’t know how to test this though.

I should mention that I use the 30s average for my power data field, so I have to wait a while for the average power to climb back up. I would probably be less annoyed by this bug if I set it to 10s or 3s average. But then I would be annoyed by the more frequent spiking. Double-edge sword. Heh.

[far-blue]

@atoponce in suggesting the issue might be the gps firmware what I meant was that a change in it’s behaviour might cause the watch to be more busy dealing with gps and might ‘miss’ bluetooth data or similar. Or maybe a spike in power demand on the gps caused the bluetooth to drop power or temporarily pause. Something like that. Sports watches are a whole community of communicating devices handling specific tasks rather than one big, powerful processor.

[atoponce]

@far-blue Ah, fair point. Yeah, I’ve wondered the same. Even so much as if using a 7-field display is creating too much stress for the firmware and doing a 3-field display would reduce that stress.

[pilleus]

@atoponce

I have power 10 sec average together with speed and cadence on a 3-field display. Every 60 seconds the power (bike power meter) is 0 and starts to count again.

[A Former User]

@pilleus I have the same issue, however, after the activity is uploaded, I don’t see the drops in Suunto app. I am using it for indoor cycling using a smart trainer, so no GPS is being used.

[pilleus]

@danct

The data in SA are not affected by the bug, these are correct for me too. And I don’t think it’s a BLE problem, because cadence is working fine while power is set to 0 and both are broadcasted with the same BLE connection.

[Artus Diver]

@Mitch9
Unfortunately YES!
Please read my posts and you will learn about swimming problems.

Suunto attempted to improve the old algorithm for counting pool length, which worked very well, and completely broke it.

Of course, after the third update it went back to normal, but unfortunately the problem with recognizing swimming style remained and none of the Suunto engineers know how to fix it!?

From my recent observations (I already wrote about it), it appears that the last update is less resistant to errors.

Today it counted the distance correctly, but it broke up my 100m intervals into 50m (ok, no drama).

I would like to point out that everything was fine with the old algorithm, both in counting and in recognizing, so why these changes?

During planned exercises, it is not important for me to recognize the style because I know that I swam, for example, the “crawl” or “butterfly”, but in varied swimming (4 styles alternately) it is important what I did in order, and in the current situation I am going crazy because everything is mixed up!

[isazi]

@atoponce you downgraded to 2.43.8? No real changes between .8 and .12, so the bug should be in both