Software Update 2.48.16 (2025 November Rain release)
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@GiPFELKiND given that either this year or the year before the Q4 release wasn’t fixed despite the no HR bug for over a month on 9PP - always better to wait
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@Josaiplu Beta release for testing before Christmas and final release in January would be perfect.
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@Josaiplu Hope dies last
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@mabe2k open beta phases would be the best addition to avoid bug released to the mass imho, already explained this here and there but if suunto conduct such they are only opened to field testers, sound easier to collect valuable feedback rather than complains but lack of large test samples
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@Josaiplu there was one attempt for an open beta some time ago, not sure why this was dismissed. I think it would help Suunto massively, as a lot of bugs are reported by users, and not by testers.
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I don’t know the internal discussion about open beta tests, but I do know that it requires more than just providing s firmware to the public.
You need to make sure to have the tools and processes to gather feedback from the public. It needs to be reviewed, sorted, reproduced, etc. And if reports don’t contain full logs and a minimum set of needed information it is a hell lot of work to finally find out that there probably is no bug, but a user error…Just saying, not arguing. Not everything is done in seconds. Also not sure what conclusions Suunto has drawn from the last open beta. But I bet they do have some.
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@cosme.costa uppsss (vaya por dios)
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@OutdoorMan said in Software Update 2.48.16 (2025 November Rain release):
there was one attempt for an open beta some time ago, not sure why this was dismissed.
This has been a day before the official release, I seem to remember. Not really that helpful, if you want to incorporate feedback…
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@Josaiplu said in Software Update 2.48.16 (2025 November Rain release):
@mabe2k open beta phases would be the best addition to avoid bug released to the mass imho, already explained this here and there but if suunto conduct such they are only opened to field testers, sound easier to collect valuable feedback rather than complains but lack of large test samples
Be careful what you wish for as Suunto open betas need to be much more stable than the beta versions the field testers use. You would not be happy with the versions we test as there are often significant issues. Several of us post here to help the community and help clarify issues. When firmware is released there are likely minor bugs that no one else caught but the major ones are typically found.
It takes time and resources to post open betas and these likely delay firmware releases so you cannot have it all.
I keep the watches that I purchase on production firmware to follow up on bugs reported by the community. Some issues I can replicate, some I cannot.Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing/Race2Ti
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With this firmware for me the battery drain is the worst ever, unless I unpair the HR monitor after each activity where I use it. So I’ll probably move back to the previous one, and stop bothering with unpair / pair every time I need (without phantom notifications), while suffering from the same battery drain issue I had until November, waiting to see what the next update brings.
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@Brad_Olwin it could be an opt in, when you sign for a beta you must be aware that it can cause software instability or even make your device unusable in some aspect
But yes most of the people see beta as a way to have the software features before the others that’s why I say it is difficult to gather valuable feedback from open betaBtw if they release in January it won’t be a q4 update
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@Brad_Olwin it doesn’t need to be Beta quality open betas. But I think RCs could be open, so that more bugs could be found and potentially be fixed before the real public release.
Usually a day or two after a release there are bug listed here in the forum. Some easy to fix, some severe.Some of the bugs found here just hours after release could have been prevented that way.
And for the record I’d rather have bug fixes for all releases and new features just every 6 months, if this could improve software quality and stability of the watch. And possibly of the features…
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@Brad_Olwin and yet there are people willing to participate in order to help the community. Not sure why other brands don’t have a problem with it. I am pretty sure beta testers understand it’s not stable.
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With this update, battery consumption has almost doubled, while manual SpO₂ measurement has been restricted or effectively disabled.
In short, this was a poorly executed update.
Suunto needs to stop allowing software decisions to undermine the hardware excellence and engineering effort that clearly exists in these devices.
At this point, it feels as though Suunto is actively working against its own loyal customers.
Updates like this do not improve trust — they destroy customer loyalty.
A flagship device should not lose functionality, efficiency, and reliability with software updates.
If this direction continues, Suunto risks turning strong engineering achievements into wasted potential due to software mismanagement.
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@OutdoorMan
well … as they do for the app
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I can’t tell from all the negative comments here if it affects a large or just a small portion of users. My watch works perfectly fine.
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@BastMaSVSRS9PP Mine also works great. I have definitely had issues in the past and eventually they get fixed.
I love this forum and think it is the best of the big three (Garmin, Suunto and Coros). I know people are upset and as we bring more and more people into the family that are unfamiliar with Suunto this is going to be one of our growing pains. Reddit is a cesspool of “why should I buy a ____” or “I come from Garmin and this is what Suunto should do” posts. For the most part, this forum is for people who love the brand and love the tech. It is an amazing place to celebrate Suunto and how far it has come.
I will say though, I am getting battery drain complain fatigue. I do not discount the sadness it must bring the people it has affected, but I am not sure what countless posts are going to do to solve this problem. If you look up my profile I have also had numerous complaints and I should have been better about reporting that they are fixed when they were.
I am in a very lucky position to be able to try out Garmin’s and very steep discounts and I will say, for all the complaints I hear on here, the Vertical 2 and Race 2 are so much better to use day to day than the new Fenix 8 Pro 51mm. For a watch that isn’t really an upgrade, but rather just a watch with LTE and inReach added, it is buggy, slow and many of the "wonder metrics like Body Battery and Sleep Tracking were less than good. I guess what I am saying is that Suunto has a good product line and they are working through some things, but at the end of the day I feel confident that they will release bug fixes that work soon. Most of us are not doing Ultras in the Winter so while we shouldn’t have to charge super often, it will be okay until spring when we all need the tech to work. (and it seems to be for a majority of people)
