Recovery watch & App
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@Kraisun-Tunta I was thinking about the same just yesterday. Let’s say I buy a second watch, do I have to wear it for two weeks to determine my HRV range again? If yes, will it be the same as on watch one? I guess not, so the current logic has a few flaws.
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@Kraisun-Tunta said in Recovery watch & App:
Even with this new firmware, the datat feature still requires a sync to app before showing on the watch. This needs to be calculated on-device just like any other feature like training , sleep, hrv status, training status etc. Having to sync to app defeats the point of having an independent watch.
Not sure if I understand you correctly.
I thought that basic calculations are happening on the watch, and the more sophisticated ones in the app (therefore, sync is needed).
And having the data sync with the app keeps the history and reports possible.
However, if I have such different values for metrics like Recovery, TSS, and Resources, those values become unusable. Which ones are the correct ones? And having different values in iOS and iPadOS is even worse (both refreshed) - it should be using server data, right?
I have never experienced a difference in values (unit vs app) at other brands. A bit disappointing, especially as I like the HW. -
@emkei said in Recovery watch & App:
@Kraisun-Tunta said in Recovery watch & App:
Even with this new firmware, the datat feature still requires a sync to app before showing on the watch. This needs to be calculated on-device just like any other feature like training , sleep, hrv status, training status etc. Having to sync to app defeats the point of having an independent watch.
Not sure if I understand you correctly.
I thought that basic calculations are happening on the watch, and the more sophisticated ones in the app (therefore, sync is needed).
And having the data sync with the app keeps the history and reports possible.
However, if I have such different values for metrics like Recovery, TSS, and Resources, those values become unusable. Which ones are the correct ones? And having different values in iOS and iPadOS is even worse (both refreshed) - it should be using server data, right?
I have never experienced a difference in values (unit vs app) at other brands. A bit disappointing, especially as I like the HW.I think the concern here is not about advanced analytics, but about basic post-activity summaries that should be available directly on the watch.
For example, after a run, the watch itself should be able to summarize:
Total duration
Total distance
Basic recovery / rest time indication
These are fundamental metrics that are already recorded on-device during the activity.
On the Suunto Race 2 (for example, on the watch face), I notice that after finishing a run, the data is not updated until I sync with the phone app. If I don’t sync, the watch face still shows old values.
In real use, this is a bit problematic:
Many of us run in parks or outdoors without carrying a phone
After finishing the run, we naturally look at the watch expecting a quick summary
Being forced to sync first breaks the idea of the watch being truly independent
To be clear:
I fully understand that more advanced training metrics (Training Load, TSS, long-term trends, deeper analysis) may require app-side or server-side calculations. That makes sense.But basic summaries like time, distance, and simple recovery indicators should be:
Calculated on-device
Immediately visible on the watch, without requiring a sync
This is not meant as a comparison or criticism of other brands, but objectively speaking, many other sports watches can already do this on the watch itself.
I really like the Suunto hardware and overall direction — this is just feedback on user experience. Improving on-device summaries would make the watch feel far more complete and independent.
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@Kraisun-Tunta I agree with all the above.
BUT why do the values differ after sync? Which ones are the correct ones?
Like TSS values: the Training Stress is getting only from the watch, but the value in the app differs (even though I expected them as reading from the watch).
And not having the data pulled from the server to iPhone and ipad the same, that is a bit odd. I understand that those are just numbers (correct or not), but having 3 values for one parameter is crazy.
Already ordered another brand. Sorry Suunto.
PS: And it seems I am the only having this issue
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@emkei So I am in the same boat where the watch is stuck on 66-67% recovery and the app 84%. Which one do you trust? I’d go with the app since now I am less training and the watch looks stuck on 66%
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@EzioAuditore
I will ask the team. -
@freeheeler Appreciate it. Don’t know if helpful but I think this is due to the fact that Recovery is affected by HRV. And HRV is not synced back and forth between watch and app. And me that I switch between watches (or someone that resets it) looses the HRV on the watch. Plus the Race 2 for me has higher HRV (15+ms more than the Ocean) so it might contribute to that.
Of course for the past month my main driver is the Race2 and I find it odd that in the beginning it was in sync and somehow now it drifted and seems as stuck on 66-67. -
@EzioAuditore
yes the sync direction could be a reason and also using multiple watches.
I have reported something about this topic already -
@emkei is this app/watch discrepancy fixed after the past months?
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@Fabii85 I still experience it. It’s only the recovery that is affected. At some point they align more at some it is more obvious with the watch being more ‘strict’. So I follow the watch suggestion and it aligns with how I feel.
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@Fabii85 unfortunately not - moved to Garmin back. No sync issues, more reliable sleep tracking (time, feeling - taking notes in the morning, and comparing with data a week later). I miss the look of Race 2, and the UI. But having the data in sync was more demanding.
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@emkei For me, sleep tracking is better on my Race 2 than on my 7X.
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@nathayogi kann ich mir nicht vorstellen…die suunto schlafüberwachung glättet die wachzeiten so extrem oder verkürzt sie auf ein minimum dass eine gute schlafüberwachung nicht stattfinden kann…und sie überhäuft auch die daten vorallem ab der zweiten Hälfte des Schlafes immer mit Tiefschlaf…ich habe habe auch garmin sie hat dass um einiges bessere schlaftracking leider wie die suunto race 2…habe auch amazfit helio strap der am 17.februar ein update bekommen hat seit diesem ist er besser beim schlaftracking wie garmin…laut rumors arbeitet suunto ganz fest daran im schlaftracking aufzuholen man hört dass richtung November grosse Verbesserungen erwartet werden …auch den schlaf zu bearbeiten könnte kommen was super wäre dass haben die anderen auch alle…ich hoffe stark auf Verbesserungen im schlaftracking…
Suunto ist für mich die klare Nummer 1 im trainingsbereich Hut ab wie suunto dass macht ist einfach großartig… -
@Thaler-Martin I come from Garmin, and Amazfit too. At the moment, my Race 2 is on par with Amazfit considering sleep tracking, but slightly more in line with my feelings. Clearly, Suunto is better, for me, at tracking sleep time and HR. HRV is quite equal. The worst is Garmin for me, considering sleep time accuracy and sleep score. HRV interpretation is also worse on Garmin (it takes too much time to adapt to new baseline fluctuation caused by seasons and training load, giving wrong alert in HRV status).
Btw, I’m quite new with the Race 2, and have 2 nights to go before receiving HRV status.Suunto Race 2
Garmin Fenix 7X
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@nathayogi
Ist für mich sehr überraschend dass könnte daran liegen dass ich beim schlafen den amazfit helio strap benutze der was das update am 17.februar bekommen hat…muss sein dass die amazfit balance dass update der besseren wachzeiten erst bekommt…
Sobald sie dass update bekommt wirst du sehen dass amazfit beim schlaf jetzt top ist…
Garmin vs suuno beim schlaf ist für mich auch garmin besser weil
1.wachzeiten erkennung viel besser suunto fast keine
und wenn dann verkürzt sie diese auf dass minimum
2.bei garmin kann man dass schlafprotokoll bearbeiten dass ist eine top Option die der suunto fehlt
3.tiefschlaf suunto ab der zweiten schlafhälfte viel zu optimistisch
Für mich momentan klar:
1.amazfit(schlafe mit helio strap) 2.garmin 3.suunto
Hrv und ruheherzfrequenz liegen so nah zusammen dass ich weiss dass alle Geräte top funktionieren…
Bei der ruheherzfrequenz ist es so glaube ich:
Ich glaube garmin nimmt den tiefsten durchschnitt von 10/15 min im schlaf her …suunto macht dass gleich aber nimmt ihn was ich weiss den tiefsten durchschnitt von 20min her…
Amazfit weiss ich nicht wie die dass errechnen…sind aber alle fast jede Nacht gleich…
Was mann hört hat suunto vor bis November auch die wachzeiten normal zuzulassen und den schlaf zu bearbeiten und hoffe dass der tiefschlaf auch besser erfasst wird …dass wäre so was von nötig den mit diesen problemen ist mein erholuungszustand immer 10/20% zu optimistisch …
Hast du nicht auch grosse Probleme mit wachzeiten und Tiefschlaf?
Wie gesagt suunto ist die weitaus am besten funktionierende uhr beim sporttracking Hut ab bin so beigestert von suunto dass sie trotz dieser anderen Probleme meine klare Lieblingsuhr ist… -
Wie schaut es bei dir aus wegen wachzeiten und Tiefschlaf bei suunto …auch fast keine oder nur verkürzt auf das minimum 2-7 min ca.
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@nathayogi said in Recovery watch & App:
@Thaler-Martin I come from Garmin, and Amazfit too. At the moment, my Race 2 is on par with Amazfit considering sleep tracking, but slightly more in line with my feelings. Clearly, Suunto is better, for me, at tracking sleep time and HR. HRV is quite equal. The worst is Garmin for me, considering sleep time accuracy and sleep score. HRV interpretation is also worse on Garmin (it takes too much time to adapt to new baseline fluctuation caused by seasons and training load, giving wrong alert in HRV status).
Btw, I’m quite new with the Race 2, and have 2 nights to go before receiving HRV status.As far as I remember, Race 2 has two main issues with sleeping (and napping):
- Reading in a bed is recognized as a sleep (not happening with Garmin), easily adding 1-2 hours of sleep, causing issues with the calculation of Resources and other metrics
- Working at the desk, with a computer (even a standing desk) was recognised as naps many times
No possibility to edit sleep length is a miss I guess.
Fixing the above and sync - I am more than happy to jump on the Suunto board again.
