How are so many basic features missing? Are these on the roadmap?

[raven]

@VoiGAS said:

@raven as I am a Suunto user and my wife uses Garmin I have a usecase: When we are hiking and go to a hut for a break she uses this feature while I hit Pause. The difference is that she has a normal watch during the break while I have a blinking Pause Screen. Also if I touch the buttons by accident the pause ends.
Not a big deal, but a nice comfort feature

Right, but in a world where the proposal I offer, “view as one session,” existed, then you’d simply stop the first session, have the watch as normal, then start a second session. You’d then have the option to view as two sessions or combine to a view that would match what your wife has. Meanwhile, she wouldn’t be able to separate out her paused session if she wanted.

And my proposed feature would be in the Suunto app, so if this happened would benefit all Suunto users regardless of watch model, where a more complex pause/hold feature would require firmware updates for every Suunto model for the feature to exist. Which more likely means “on future watches, not the current ones.”

[raven]

@pbanon said:

@raven said:
Wow, that’s not how I do sessions. If I completely stop and let my HR come to a rest from sitting down, then that clearly means I’ve stopped the activity. Your social bike ride is two sessions in my mind and not a single session.

I think this is the root of the difference for how we approach activities. For me an activity is not based on my HR, I track based on the trip I’m doing. A multiday traverse or overnight backpack is a single activity, a social bike ride with long stop in the middle is one activity, but a hike on two different days as in your example is two separate activities. It’s just a different approach based on what we want to get out of the watch and neither is wrong.

Except that with my proposal, everyone has the option to do things “both ways,” so I can record sessions before and after lunch and see them as either two events or a single event. Your proposal means we only get one event unless there’s a reverse idea from what I propose, to “split” a session into multiple views, which seems more complex. And as I note earlier, I’d be concerned an extended paused event in abeyance would be prone to data loss, especially if doing other things on the watch. Asking for a week long “single event session” to be continually alternating between running then paused seems like asking for trouble.

[raven]

Here’s an example situation I’m curious how others would handle: you’re on a multiple day bike trip, and for the evening at a hotel to sleep. You want to use the pool to do some lap swimming, why not? But you already have the ongoing biking event.

Does the “extended pause/hold” system allow a different session to run in between the pause/hold, so that here you could run a separate swim session?

With my “view two as one” idea, we’d already have ended the day’s bike ride, so simple to start a swim session, then the next day start a new bike ride. Then later in the Suunto app, take both bike days and combine to one view. How would “extended pause/hold” deal with this idea?

[freeheeler]

I think you can all calm down. these ideas have been there for many years and obviously they did not make it to the watch since… chances aren’t zero, but when we observe releases we can imagine that they will not come too soon

[raven]

@freeheeler said:

I think you can all calm down. these ideas have been there for many years and obviously they did not make it to the watch since… chances aren’t zero, but when we observe releases we can imagine that they will not come too soon

It also seems the extended pause does exist on Garmin, so those who find that a mission critical feature can vote with their money. The proposal I offered as an alternative (although both ideas could exist simultaneously, which is why I was curious if my idea would be sufficient for others or if they would demand extended pause anyway, and if so, why) I think would be a novel feature no current sports watch does to the best of my knowledge.

I concur it’s likely neither feature request will happen, at least not any time soon.

[maszop]

@pbanon The previously mentioned option of displaying several activities as a single one in the SuuntoApp would be a much better solution than some dodgy workaround on the watch itself – even more bugs.

I already suggested that solution earlier in similar threads, instead of that idiotic ‘Resume Later’.

[brechtvb]

The best solution for this is for Suunto to start fixing things.

I have suggested this before but we should have an issue tracker for better tracking and denser conversations.

Including a list of sports Bluetooth sensors that work and don’t, it would prevent a lot of surprises.

[pbanon]

@raven said:
Except that with my proposal, everyone has the option to do things “both ways,” so I can record sessions before and after lunch and see them as either two events or a single event. Your proposal means we only get one event unless there’s a reverse idea from what I propose, to “split” a session into multiple views, which seems more complex. And as I note earlier, I’d be concerned an extended paused event in abeyance would be prone to data loss, especially if doing other things on the watch. Asking for a week long “single event session” to be continually alternating between running then paused seems like asking for trouble.

Adding resume later feature also let’s everyone do it both ways. If you don’t want to pause and resume later, then you can choose not to and start a new activity the way you do today.
My activities auto sync to Strava and Strava does not allowing combining activities. It is possible to combine tracks using 3rd party tools but they are tedious and don’t always work. Plus when you upload the combined activity to Strava, most other native watch data is lost.
If pausing an activity works, then it shouldn’t matter how long it’s paused. This has always worked flawlessly on my Garmin.

[Steven Hambleton]

Instead of pausing an activity, allow someone to go to their exercise log, then choose to extend an existing saved session.

Not sure how this would affect stats recording or mapping but it means you can use your watch as a watch and it also means you can choose to start a different sport between sessions.

[raven]

@pbanon said:

@raven said:
Except that with my proposal, everyone has the option to do things “both ways,” so I can record sessions before and after lunch and see them as either two events or a single event. Your proposal means we only get one event unless there’s a reverse idea from what I propose, to “split” a session into multiple views, which seems more complex. And as I note earlier, I’d be concerned an extended paused event in abeyance would be prone to data loss, especially if doing other things on the watch. Asking for a week long “single event session” to be continually alternating between running then paused seems like asking for trouble.

Adding resume later feature also let’s everyone do it both ways. If you don’t want to pause and resume later, then you can choose not to and start a new activity the way you do today.

But I want to see the Trail Running session I did one day and the Hiking session I did on another day both as separate sessions (for individual performance metrics) and as a combined session (to see the overall map of my vacation adventures). Resume later would force me to keep the session in abeyance for an entire day, and would force me to choose one of the two modalities but not the other although would give me the single map.

And again, my proposed “view two as one” idea would be an app update ability that gives the feature to all Suunto users, while changing how recording works on the watch requires a firmware update for each individual watch, and this presumes the feature was within the hardware and OS capabilities of the watch. Otherwise it is only for new watches designed with that feature in mind.