Race 3S & Race 3 rumours
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@Egika do no underestimate the marketing and the sales department.
The Race 2 didn’t really add things over the Race 1 or S, just a better heart rate sensor and you could run 3 suunto+ apps during training.
If the Race 3 isn’t going to drastically introduce new capabilities, it all looks quite dead. I doubt many users are going to pay for an AI platform when the watch is already overpriced.
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@brechtvb It does not look dead at all to me. Whoever wants to buy a sports watch, will look for the most recent model.
Next year Race 3 seems to be this: the most recent model. It can just replace Race 2 and will sell instead of this one.Most users in this forum already own a Suunto. I don’t think that new models necessarily target users of Race 2. You get a little better specs here and there and have a most recent model. No need to change if you have a Suunto. But put current technology into you watches before they become outdated hardware wise.
And what I wanted to say with my previous post is, that a AI subscription in my point of view makes sense only independently from watch hardware. So that users with existing watches can benefit from it, as well as buyers of new models don’t necessarily need to invest in both at the same time.
While you mention overpriced: look at what Garmin wants for Fenix 9… This is what I call overpriced, compared to Suunto’s prices…
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@Egika race 2 currently costs 500 euro on suunto.com while it cannot reliably connect to basic bluetooth sensors. That concludes on the overpricing.
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@Egika race 2 currently costs 500 euro on suunto.com while it cannot reliably connect to basic bluetooth sensors. That concludes on the overpricing.
we are discussing about Race 3 and Race3s in this thread and I understood you were referring to these watches as being overpriced.
Now you say you think that Race 2 is overpriced. This takes the discussion into a way that leads away from the topic…
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@Egika they will not be priced less than that, and I can only assume the same software platform is going to be used for now.
To add: so you don’t deny race 2 is overpriced.
To me the race s 2 and race s are overpriced, so what should make me think race 3 will not be overpriced.
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Race 1 was great deal when released. Perfectly priced.
Race 2 higher price for new OHR sensor - mostly (few more things). Price is “okay”
Race 3 we dont know price but for sure will be even higher than Race 2. Or they just change regular price of Race 2 to be lower. No idea what new functions will Race 3 have, but if there will be subscription (monthly pay) plus no new major things and price will be much higher than Race 2, i dont know how many people will buy 3 instead of 2. Not to mention that when Race 3 will be released, Race 2 may get discounts. Iam interested in the way Suunto will go and what will bring. -
I’m hoping very very much that the Race 3S will be with a Sapphire glass.
The Race S is the only one in the lineup with a Gorilla glass and a friend have it (he had a 9 peak before) and its scratched like crazy while my 9 peak pro is looking brand new, Sapphire is pretty much a dealbreaker for me.At least for the titanium version it would make sense
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I’m hoping very very much that the Race 3S will be with a Sapphire glass.
The Race S is the only one in the lineup with a Gorilla glass and a friend how mine have it (he had a 9 peak before) and its scratched like crazy while my 9 peak pro is looking brand new, Sapphire is pretty much a dealbreaker for me.At least for the titanium version it would make sense
I’ll never buy watch without Sapphire glass. That’s reason I didnt get Race S. All my Suunto watches were scratched (bezel) but screen always like brand new.
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@Egika I am really interested on how the prices turn out. If you look at the hardware specs and software capabilities and compare it to smart watches and smartphones, the whole sport watch market is completely overpriced. And no, it is not justifiable by all the pseudo metrics that are supposed to help you get fitter. I suspect that the whole market just follows the greediness of Garmin irrespectively if it is justified
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@brave_dave if people buy…why shouldn’t the other brands do it?
Fenix 9 was announced 25/8, I can tell you that on the 26/8 vinted was already “flooded” with Fenix 8s…We can criticize garmin, but for sure something they are doing ok for having the fan base/recurrent client.
Regarding Race 3/3S, I hope they maintain the sleek design of race s, and that they get and hardware/platform whatever that allows them full potential updates/features in case today that is an issue…
While garmin starts to be “too much” in terms of features/metrics etc, I believe suunto could benefit from a just tiny bit more of features/customization baked in firmware (live track, resume later, more options of complications on watchfaces, etc)
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@Egika they will not be priced less than that, and I can only assume the same software platform is going to be used for now.
You base your verdict on price on your experience and price of a totally different model, and state it as if it was a fact…
To add: so you don’t deny race 2 is overpriced.
Because I try to stay on topic I don’t comment Race 2 price. But at the same time the watch is working well for me.
To me the race s 2 and race s are overpriced, so what should make me think race 3 will not be overpriced.
Because it is different in price and features should.be enough.
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@André-Faria yes, people buy the premium Garmins because there is basically no competition that came close to their software features over the last years (on device routing with complete maps at a time where all the others were still using breadcrumb routing, on device music with Spotify/Amazon music, Garmin pay, seamless third party integration like Zwift…, bike computers…) Garmin build up a reputation over the last ten years by offering software functionalitoes and an ecosystem that others simply don’t have. Even though they are overpriced, they can sell their units.
But I don’t think that it is a good strategy to follow such a high price point if you are not on par. If people are willing to spent that much money, most of them probably rather spent 100-200€ more to get the Garmin full package or buy a smartwatch. If the price difference to the competition would be higher, maybe more people would look towards the competition. -
To me the race s 2 and race s are overpriced,
Why do you think the Race S is overpriced?
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@2b2bff this forum is full of people the battery duration went downhill, the Suunto HR Bluetooth sensor freely disconnects (I have myself), and it cannot reliably connect to bicycle sensors available in the market.
This is basic sports watch use.
People here claim that “you buy what’s on the spec sheet”, but even that doesn’t fly here.
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@brechtvb this forum does not represent reality very well, yes some people have issues with BT, some has with the battery and that sucks for real and they should work with support and find a solution, but there are more than plenty users that have none of those problems. So you cannot say that basic sport functions are not working.
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@aiv4r it depends on what you call basic…not everyone uses a HRM or bike sensors and not all sensors have these issues, so therefore not everyone is affected by that. But to me this is still kind of basic to expect these devices to work if you by a sports watch and especially if those devices work perfectly fine with other manufacturers. But if months after reporting, these devices still not work, this is for me a no go and a reason to maybe look at competitors in the future again. Nothing is perfect and bugs happen but priority should be to fix them quickly
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@brave_dave i get you, it is not ok when things do not work as expected. But my point was - if stuff does not work for you, it does not mean it is a mass problem. I can cherrypick a lot of people that has problems with Coros/Garmin. Not saying that Suunto is better, just saying we cannot take cherrypicked issues and define a brand based on that.
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@aiv4r I don’t agree with you that it is cherry picking because it only happens for a few people. It is an observation bias if there are bugs that only happen in certain scenarios and not a lot of people use it in that way. Probably the bug also persist for other people but they don’t realize it because they don’t use it in that way.
That’s why usually developers do betas to cover a high variety of different scenarios to detect these rare bugs. The number of bugs and the time until they are resolved is the issue. When you look at the number of posts in this forum in relation to the sold devices, those issues probably happen to quite some people and already for a lot of months. It then makes some customers really mad if they see that after one year, a new Race 3 series is released and people realize that probably they have other priorities. -
@brave_dave maybe you are right or have more info than I have, I can only base my opinion on the people I know using Suunto and none of them have any issues like you have. Also if it is not fixed by Suunto for a long time, it is not as mass problem as you think. But it is pointless to discuss unless you have data on your statements.
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@aiv4r when is a problem, a mass problem? 1 affected user, 100 or 100.000…? Where is the border that one could expect a fix and how long should one have to wait for a fix?
Good customer care and software engineering is when one tries to fix every bug as quickly as possible and also communicates about bug fix efforts to let people know that something is on their list and worked on.
I am affected by bluetooth issues with HRM and bike sensors for about 9 months now. I don’t really care because I use a Garmin bike computer as well. But this is not how it is supposed to be and I can understand other people’s frustration. Therefore, I can not understand this marginalization of other people’s problems to justify manufacturer’s failures.
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