Suunto Core 2 - Feature request, Weather trend indicator

Alpha

@alexx-Caesar
Yes… North Edge watches are great affordable watches, and for the price, they’re absolutely fantastic! Their ABC tactical watches have well-optimized features and are easy to use.
But that’s little more off topic.

alexx Caesar

Yesterday I went to the beach,I can say the dive function on the core 2 is perfect,am not a diver but went as far as 7ft down on comin up back it really countdown to 0 ft its really work I did some shallow dive an it went to 0-4ft its really great.the compass aswel is working great,align it with my phone compass app,an it stable,but the dive function is amazing on the core 2.

AdamK

Hi, the feature has arrived.

Thanks for that! I just have a question—how does it work now? On previous Core models, the barometer icon would appear when there was no change in altitude.

Today, I drove to the office; over the course of a 20-minute car ride, the altitude changed by at least 150m, yet the barometer icon is still displayed.

So, how does the automatic switching work now, and will this trigger the storm alarm?

Thanks a lot!

Egika

@AdamK Nice.
Which FW version did you get?

Alpha

@alexx-Caesar

I’m still hoping that Suunto will apologize for the error in the technical specifications and correct it—or at least confirm that it isn’t a mistake…
For the Core 2, they list the maximum recommended dive depth as 2 meters!?!?!
Because adding a “dive” feature and then reducing the maximum dive depth from 10 meters (Core 1) to 2 meters (Core 2) is a slap in the face to users.
And to find this out, you have to look it up in the user manual. This should be clearly stated in the basic specifications. Water resistance of 100M is not a specific indication of the recommended actual depth, and this could lead to damage to the product if it is exposed to an actual depth of, say, 10 meters. The Core 1 (Alpha) handles this without any issues. And its users might assume that the Core 2 can withstand it as well. And if not, they’d be surprised if their warranty claim for the watch were denied.

AdamK

@Egika said:

@AdamK Nice.
Which FW version did you get?

Its 1.14.2.

Thank you

Egika

@AdamK Interesting.
This should at least include the following changes:

Fixed alarms being triggered immediately after changing the time.
Fixed sunrise/sunset not updating after app sync followed by changing the region on the watch.
Fixed app sync not updating after changing the region on the watch.
Updated the compass algorithm; recalibration is now triggered after strong magnetic interference.
Redesigned the altimeter/barometer feature; Auto mode now switches automatically in the background.
Added a barometric-pressure indicator to watch faces and the Alti screen.
Added manual compass calibration.

mikekoski490

@Egika Awesome!

Nice update.

I really hope this doesnt sound like a complaint, as its not meant to, but just wondering how does the barometer/altimeter actually work now compared to the previous core? Previous Core manual had info about how the auto switch worked, and in the settings you could also choose auto, or lock baro or alti.

I see the barometer settings inside the core 2 didnt change, and nothing on suuntos website yet. Example this is still in the user manual online at Suunto.com:

Barometer profile + altitude moving

If the Barometer profile is on for an extended period of time as you climb in altitude or go down in altitude, the device assumes that you are standing still and interprets your changes in altitude as changes in sea level air pressure. It will therefore give you incorrect sea level air pressure readings.

Thanks to suunto for listening and updating though!

alexx Caesar

@AdamK The automatic profile on the Suunto Core switches between the altimeter and barometer modes based on your movement,so instead of you always manually putting in the refrence value where ever altitude you at,but with auto the sensors dectect you altitude what ever refrence value is in it is lock in there.with the dive function you select dive an its stays while you swim or snorkeling.

alexx Caesar

@Alpha the metric am using is feet and not meters,there is punch hole on the sunnto core 2,am assuming its for a depth sensor just curious how it calculate the pressure when the watch is in water an diving.but try it out an you see for your self,advice do not press buttons undewr saltwater i dont know if it can do that.

mikekoski490

Edit: Cancel this question (issue). I updated my phones settings as our region recently updated or cancelled DST, and that helped after I re-synced. Cheers!

@Egika said:

Fixed sunrise/sunset not updating after app sync followed by changing the region on the watch.

Hi,

Question on this: After updating to this newest firmware, my sunrise/sunset is now exactly 1 hour off each time - showing a 1 hour earlier value for both. Ive checked on my Core 2 and have the correct country/region/city set.

Anyone else, or any suggestions?

alexx Caesar

@AdamK I have 1.13.44

Alpha

@alexx-Caesar
According to the manuals, the depth rating for the Core 2 is now 6.6 feet. For the Core 1, it’s 32.8 feet.
I tested the buttons underwater on the Core 1—no water got into the watch. I pressed each button once. I’d rather not try that with the Core 2.

Alpha

@Egika
Thank you for the information about the changes!
But why aren’t they listed on the Suunto website?! There isn’t even any info about the previous version there yet.
Is the automatic alti/baro function not indicated on the display like it was on the Core 1? So I’m not sure if it’s actually implemented. I don’t see it in the settings menu either. On the Core 1, there was an option to choose between auto and manual. So am I correct in understanding that in time mode, alti/baro is now set to Auto, and in alti or baro mode, it remains manual?
Will there ever be a future version that displays alti/baro/steps graphs on the main screen?!

alexx Caesar

@Alpha am kinda worried when coming to saltwater,but my watch is 10 days old so i be having this watch an be recommending buyers for the sunto core 2 once there are updates an everything work smooth,i think i will recomend my friend to order sunnto core 1 & 2 to resell in my country.

AdamK

I tested it today, and it works reliably. I calibrated the altimeter in the morning, spent the day driving about 100 km, spent some time in the office, and so on. Yet, when I arrived home tonight, the altitude reading was the same as it had been that morning :).

So, everything seems to be working fine; it’s just that the watch doesn’t explicitly indicate this on the display.

Since I have some knowledge of hardware and low-level software, a “little bird” (a “secret uncle,” if you will) explained how it works, and I can confirm:

It isn’t triggered by the accelerometer or step count, but rather by a change in altitude derived from pressure.
If the change—relative to historical data (stored in two slots that refresh every ~80 seconds)—reaches ≥ 5 m, it switches to ALTI mode.
Conversely, if there has been no movement for at least ~721 seconds (≈12 minutes), it switches to BARO mode.
The states are: 0 = ALTI, 1 = BARO, 2 = SNORKEL.

alexx Caesar

@AdamK what firmware version you have now?

alexx Caesar

@AdamK so just update my firmware to 1.14.2 an i got the baro trend arrow in time keeping mode,this is great to see in time keeping mode interface,thanks to the team who listens to your customers,please continue the good work.

Alpha

@AdamK
Thanks for the additional info.
It seems to me that auto mode works, too.
I’d just like to be able to view the alti/baro/step graphs on the main display in the next update. Then I’ll be almost completely satisfied.

AdamK

@alexx-Caesar said:

@AdamK what firmware version you have now?

I have 1.14.2 and info about how barometer works is also from that version. Its same as 1.13.44 - only change is barometer trend icon shown in altimeter and main watchface (algoritm didnt changed).