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      A Former User @sartoric
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      @sartoric said in resources and stress level screen:

      One method to measure it, is to check it just after you wake up, still laying on the bed.

      That’s exactly what I told him. Bathroom run notwithstanding. Which is why I constantly croak about 24/7 HR. You don’t have to measure anything and can visit the throne room as much as you want. All HR events of note will be conveniently recorded and ready for review.

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        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @QwertyBoy
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        @QwertyBoy Hey lets start with this:

        Min HR is the minumum HR you get during a day/night

        Rest HR is the resting heartrate when “normal” there are no outside factors eg cafeine, stress etc.

        Wake up in the morning then while making your coffee for example shit on a chair relax and measure your HR for 1-5mins. The AVG HR of those mins should be your rest HR.

        Put that on the watch settings and come back with some feedback if you like.

        My min HR is 52 during a day with a belt on, my rest hr is 62 and my night min HR is 46.

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          A Former User @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in resources and stress level screen:

          Wake up in the morning then while making your coffee for example shit on a chair

          Freudian slip? I see my throne room analogy was taken to its logical conclusion 😝

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            inkognito Platinum Member @sartoric
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            @sartoric Yes, but if I define it like “hr when awake and at complete rest”, my resources will be close to 0 % most of the time 😄

            In my case:

            minimum HR during sleep: 38 BPM
            in the morning when at complete rest: ~ 48 BPM
            right now - early evening, sitting, at complete rest, slightly sleepy: ~ 44 BPM
            right now - sitting, typing this comment: ~ 48 - 52 BPM
            one hour after long exhausting excercise: bigger than 60, slowly decreasing… when I reach lower than 50 I feel recovered

            Many people take the minima, but I don’t think that’s right for the current algorithm. When I set my resting HR to 44 - 48, the resources calculated are unrealisticaly low. Doing easy tasks using computer, I can have slightly above 50 and feel like I am in fact resting and my body is recovering… So after many measurements and observations, I have set my resting HR to ~ 51. Everything bellow means I am really resting. Values more than few BPM above it mean I am not resting or I have not recovered yet… Setting this, the recovery calculation looks very realistic (I rarelly hit 0 % and only occasionally hit 100 % after very lazy evening followed by very long sleep 😄 )

            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Well written! I should work on my brevity 😄

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              A Former User @inkognito
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              @inkognito Fixing observations to fit a model? 😉 That works too I suppose. Explains why 70% of studies can’t be replicated…

              After a while personally I stopped using both Suunto’s and Garmin’s implementations of body resources. The former never reaches 100%, drops too fast, and is wiped out by a watch reboot. The latter doesn’t reach 100% only when I’m half dead, lying with high fever, and my stress levels can be observed by steam coming out of my ears. It also sometimes misses hours post-workout where stress is highest.

              If you want to track your recovery seriously, you’d have to look elsewhere. Or just go by the good ol’ feel.

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                inkognito Platinum Member @Guest
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                @NickK Fixing observations to fit a model? No, don’t you wory. Just trying to understand Suunto’s definition of resting HR as I can obviously be resting having 44 BPM as well as having 52 BPM.

                I do not listen to my watch more than to my feelings 😄 I just tried to do something to obtain more or less reasonable data in my watch, because I wasn’t happy with values bellow 10 % most of the time, that’s all 🙂

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                  Václav Král
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                  In my point of view this works fine. I have nightly min. HR 41 - 42 and I set my resting HR 65. My morning body resources are between 70 - 95% and for example today I had only 3:45h sleep and my mornig body resources was under 30%. That is accurate enough for me… 👍

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                  • Václav KrálV Offline
                    Václav Král
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                    And body resources are not exactly about 100% - means I am completely fit and 0% - means I am dead.

                    Look at graph inside article:
                    https://www.firstbeat.com/en/blog/5-reasons-your-body-battery-says-youre-running-low/

                    And few words about “Running on empty”
                    https://www.garmin.com/en-US/blog/fitness/body-battery-thrive/

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                      jannis Bronze Member
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                      I would be grateful if somebody can tell me to which value I should set the HR on the watch. I gave some values above in earlier posts, and the resting HR this morning after waking up was about 57 bpm.

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                        @jannis said in resources and stress level screen:

                        I would be grateful if somebody can tell me to which value I should set the HR on the watch. I gave some values above in earlier posts, and the resting HR this morning after waking up was about 57 bpm.

                        If you measured a rest HR of 57, and you need to set the rest HR in the watch, I would use that one (57)

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                          Václav Král @jannis
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                          @jannis According me morning HR after waking up is wrong value for this algorithm. I measured my HR during sitting and working without psychical stress and without eating and this average value I’m using like resting HR. This is my right resting HR in my opinion, because even if is bigger than HR during laying on sofa and watching TV, I’m still physically relaxing and regenerating, even when I’m in work.

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                            @sartoric said in resources and stress level screen:

                            @jannis said in resources and stress level screen:

                            I would be grateful if somebody can tell me to which value I should set the HR on the watch. I gave some values above in earlier posts, and the resting HR this morning after waking up was about 57 bpm.

                            If you measured a rest HR of 57, and you need to set the rest HR in the watch, I would use that one (57)

                            My HR in the morning is about 50-55. But even if i set rest HR to 60 - my resourses displayed very low every day.

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                              Keep in mind it takes time to adjust

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                                jannis Bronze Member
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                                Thanks for the answers! I have set the HR now to 57.

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                                  @QwertyBoy said in resources and stress level screen:

                                  My HR in the morning is about 50-55. But even if i set rest HR to 60 - my resourses displayed very low every day.

                                  From my experience with this feature on Garmin side, it takes about a week if not longer of continuous 24 hour use for your HRV baseline to be established correctly. More if there were events in your week that would have affected HRV. Things like getting ill, a race or an extra tough workout, severe stress at work, sleep deprivation, pro drinking bout, etc.

                                  Without that baseline and correct HR bounds, Body Resources will not work “correctly”. I say “correctly” because I’m not sure it works that well. On any device.

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                                    jannis Bronze Member
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                                    Just a question, but what does this mean :)?
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                                      QwertyBoy @jannis
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                                      @jannis your resources too low 🙂

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                                        jannis Bronze Member
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                                        A bit too low:) Is the bar in the minus area a bug or what does it mean?

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                                          jannis Bronze Member
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                                          After the calibration it seems the resources are now working fine. This morning:

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                                            @jannis What calibration? What is your rest HR?

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