Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts

Luís Pinto

@brad_olwin Globally agree! Just adding one more point, support for Galileo. But related with S3 it is very strange this change of plans or maybe an error with first publication…

aldnet

Finally Informatin is out, they will start sending in 25th of April

http://www.suunto.com/suunto3fitness/

As a curiosity they are showing Suunto App as the app companion of the watch

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@aldnet said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

Finally Informatin is out, they will start sending in 25th of April

http://www.suunto.com/suunto3fitness/

As a curiosity they are showing Suunto App as the app companion of the watch

Yep. The S3F will only be used with the S3F. Perhaps that will explain now why some features are stalling for the big Spartans.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

And it has connected GPS

aldnet

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos yes I saw, it’s another target of the market

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@aldnet said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos yes I saw, it’s another target of the market

I hope suunto can make some nice cash of this and then we can get more features!

jthomi

But what does that mean?

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

Yep. The S3F will only be used with the S3F. Perhaps that will explain now why some features are stalling for the big Spartans.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@jthomi said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

But what does that mean?

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

Yep. The S3F will only be used with the S3F. Perhaps that will explain now why some features are stalling for the big Spartans.

Darn I mean the Suunto app

Brad_Olwin

Gerald has a very nice review up. Too bad, the S3F can use a footpod but will not display power. It can however, track GPS using the phone app. While not for us, this may indeed turn out to be a good seller for Suunto. Gerald Review S3F

jthomi

Oh, very interesting!

That’s also means some “final” version of the SuuntoApp might’ve around the corner?

A few minutes ago the email came with a preorder link and some nice pics of the new watch!
Exciting times!

NicolasP

@brad_olwin thanks for mentioning the review as I was looking for one in case already written by someone but with no success.

Brad_Olwin

I have more info and will have to ask Gerald about this. The specs for the watch say it will deliver Power with the Stryd sensor. This disagrees with Gerald’s review and we will have to ask him about that. One troubling note…there is NO integration with Movescount. IMHO this means MC is going away and all of our data will be ported to the current app. I would find this very troubling and concerning as the app does not support large screens (iPad) and there is no web interface for the app. Sure wish we knew what Suunto’s plans are and had a roadmap. It would change the importance of features if I knew MC was going away eventually. However, if this means MC will be tailored to more serious athletes that would be great and I would even be willing to pay a subscription if it could replace Training Peaks. It would be simpler to have everything in one place. Oh well…I guess we will just have to fumble around in the dark as we have been doing for the last 6 months or so…

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

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Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@brad_olwin said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

I have more info and will have to ask Gerald about this. The specs for the watch say it will deliver Power with the Stryd sensor. This disagrees with Gerald’s review and we will have to ask him about that. One troubling note…there is NO integration with Movescount. IMHO this means MC is going away and all of our data will be ported to the current app. I would find this very troubling and concerning as the app does not support large screens (iPad) and there is no web interface for the app. Sure wish we knew what Suunto’s plans are and had a roadmap. It would change the importance of features if I knew MC was going away eventually. However, if this means MC will be tailored to more serious athletes that would be great and I would even be willing to pay a subscription if it could replace Training Peaks. It would be simpler to have everything in one place. Oh well…I guess we will just have to fumble around in the dark as we have been doing for the last 6 months or so…

Lets take this from start.

I think Gerrald hit a bug or did not test it ok. I know there was a bug for the intensity target when the Stryd is paired as a pod and not as power meter (as a pod also gets power).
Ill come back to this with details.

Regarding the MC let me shed some insight on this.
The MC integration with the Suunto app will come having MC as a dependency. That means that from the Suunto app you will connect to MC and not the way around.
This indicates that MC to Suunto app is a service and a relaltion similar to Strava with the Suunto app. Suunto app will not replace MC any time soon. And if that would have been the case you would already know. You don’t flip a switch in 6 months on a product.

That said, the reasons that S3F will not ever connect to MC is because the features are not compatible. S3F has data, screens, coaching etc that do not fit either in the MC web or apps.

Most important reason is that in combination with the target market, the S3F needs to be app standalone for now, no need for old MC apps (that support tons of devices eg even diving) and has to have a modern cleaner interface. For your knowledge the suunto app works differently with the S3F etc due to extra features like fitness level, coaching and connected GPS.

Does this make it clearer a bit?

FYI the target market and people in this forum do not use a pc. (click the link to see the debate)

Brad_Olwin

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Thanks man, I already told you I was an old guy, I am really a dinosaur. I use my mac (I don’t own a pc either:) every day most of the day for work so… I am used to using either the Mac or the iPhone. I do like moving most functions to the phone and glad to hear that the app will work as a service to MC. Still, I find it rather amazing that the S3F is not compatible with MC.

Ze Stuart

Reading Gerald’s review, and looking at some of the screens, gives me a lot of hope for a future firmware update for our Spartans, even if it’s just little things. It looks like a lovely little device for the right market segment.

jthomi

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Thanks for clarifying some things up!

That info with Suunto App have a quite similar connection as Strava is really useful/important to me, seems like I am not the target market because I still use a computer. Not a PC, only Mac here, but having all those connection is really good to know.

That really makes sense with the S3F and only app usage. Really looking forward to the next firmware release, the launch of the new watch and the start of the Suunto App!

Luís Pinto

@brad_olwin But at 25th April Suunto app will be official launched just for SF3, without support for Ambit and Spartan? I did not understand.

SlaSh

@luís-pinto for now maybe only s3f, but to invest such effort to develop app only for s3f wouldnt be reasonable, so I think all watches are going to be supported sooner or later.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@luís-pinto said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

@brad_olwin But at 25th April Suunto app will be official launched just for SF3, without support for Ambit and Spartan? I did not understand.

Yes let me make this crystal clear.

We have an issue with the suunto app at this moment.

As you all understand it’s far from ready for the Spartans but it’s almost ready for the s3f and should be.

However the app needs to hit the stores for the s3f users on release.

We thought about not allowing app store (and playstore) users that install the app not to be able to pair their Spartans. But that is not the best decision. So it’s not the way.

So:

The app will hit the store at the s3f release. Users with Spartans will be promoted and know that if they pair their Spartan the functionality for the Spartans will not be ok and they will be also testsing a beta feature of the app. So Spartan sync with the app from the stores will be a beta feature.

At the same time , we will continue with here and the beta releases until we get this right. And believe me from what I have seen it’s going to be awesome in some months.

All your requests , chats , fears, bugs, issues and thoughts are taken 100% into consideration. We are cooking this experience for you. The people in this forum. You are driving the requests and helping this. Suunto is so happy about this beta, and it’s putting all the effort now on this. S3f is released, 2 more weeks for the s3f app fixes and then boom. Suunto is full on us and the Spartans. Android will get a speed up as well.

I hope this helps and good morning my friends. I love to see you here. All of you. Grumpy or not. You all have added and add continuously great value !!! Keep it up.