Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?

[nikshot]

@mff73Hello again,
This weekend I tried what we talked about.
Here’s what happens when your phone is out of range:
The information really enters via Bluetooth in the phone, but it gives me no connection to the Internet and offline, the buttons for recording and transferring the route are missing - I am attaching photos:

and here the route does not exist at all:

now I am attaching photos after internet connection:

So, the answer to the question is that with a phone without internet it is not possible to use routes that are currently created by the watch … which makes Suunto completely dependent on the phone, and hence makes many accents that the new Suunto is famous for meaningless, like long battery life - what about the phone battery if with short life ??? And the main accent of Suunto is that it is GPS navigation which you can’t use without a phone, etc …

[Mff73]

@nikshot
i have tried it before answering you
have you put your phone on airplane mode to do this test ? if yes, you need to enable bluetooth for sure
no internet doesn’t mean no wireless communication to watch

the phone doesn’t need to be connected to internet but the watch need to be connected (linked) to the phone.

[nikshot]

@mff73

[nikshot]

@nikshotAs I wrote above, the watch has a connection to the phone, it even transmits the information, but until then … you need the Internet for the reverse!

[Mff73]

@nikshot
ok, so maybe an iOS thing : it is working right now for me on Android.

[sartoric]

@nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

Is the toggle active (clickable) ?
Because when you create the route, the toggle is always “off”.

If the watch is connected there no reason why the route cannot be exported/saved … except a bug of course

[Mff73]

@nikshot
On Android, when watch is well connected, the watch icon is ticked

Your screenshots show a dash. Maybe iOS really needs Internet to connect to watch. Which for sure will be very bad for you

[nikshot]

@mff73It strikes me that when I go online, only then the phone updates the card and the buttons for transferring back to the clock appear - it is visible from the photos I have shown.

[Mff73]

@nikshot
can’t help you more
maybe wait for some iOS experts to confirm if internet is mandatory to connect to watch and help.

[David Young]

@nikshot I would strongly recommend that you get on the phone to Suunto or contact them by Chat. They’re quick to respond and should be able to help.

[A Former User]

@mff73 I think is one of the differences between Android and iOS version of Suunto app. I have iOS and just like @nikshot I don’t have the option the save a route from an activity, when phone has no internet connectivity.

[Brad_Olwin]

@nikshot I just checked this with no internet connection I can click the button @sartoric had in the image and upload to the watch. Moreover, I can import a GPX file from a list on the phone and import into SA and import into the watch, with no cellular and no wifi. You cannot draw a route without internet.

Are you on the beta for iOS?

[Fenr1r]

@brad_olwin You’re right on that score but the OP’s aim was to turn a just-generated activity track on the watch into a useable route without internet access. To get the same result as the Logbook entry -> navigable Route on the Ambits (watch-only).

On my iOS (latest Beta), and @andrasveres’, that won’t work. In my case, even with a happy BT connection to a Spartan, there are no Three Dots (for more functions) in the activity record … without internet. There’s no share icon, either: pretty much as @nikshot illustrated.

We can’t export a GPX in iOS without a data connection because the SuuntoFormatActivity -> GPX requires more oomph than many phones have, apparently. Perhaps the same thing applies to extracting a SuuntoFormatRoute from a SuuntoFormatActivity and xferring the result to the watch under iOS?

[Brad_Olwin]

@fenr1r That is a very specific case. There is find back to retrace the route on the watch, which should suffice. and if @nikshot knows the route ahead of time or alternates they can be loaded and used. I see this as less of an issue.

[nikshot]

@brad_olwinFor me this is a very serious drawback and again I say it makes no sense the whole concept of a watch whose main function is to be GPS navigation !!! Imagine three days moving in the high mountains in an absolutely unknown and wild place, without marked trails, without internet connection. Every day you make a track in the clock with the idea to go back the same way! On the fourth day you go back, but you don’t have internet, electricity in the phone, the phone broke, you lost your phone, the rain got it wet and it blocked … And what if I have a watch (depending on the phone in question) with GPS navigation, with a battery of up to 170 hours, a watch that is so strong and protected that it will work even after an atomic bomb ??? What exactly will it do for me in this situation - maybe to measure my heart rate (if I could and blood pressure: D) to find out how angry I am with the ridiculous situation …

[Prenj]

Find back is nice to have, but what if watch crashes during the activity?

[nikshot]

@prenjMaybe I will have to use the phone again

[sartoric]

@nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

but you don’t have internet, electricity in the phone, the phone broke,

you can also lose the watch, the watch drains the battery , or it brokes, or it explodes … or …

What exactly will it do for me in this situation

What should you do, maybe, Use a map ?

[nikshot]

@sartoricYears ago I bought Suunto Ambit 2 Sapphire, he doesn’t have this problem! If the clock draws the route, you can use it immediately, without the need for a phone and whatever else you can think of. With this watch I went around all the mountains in Bulgaria without anyone’s help - Pirin, Rila, Stara Planina … I just put the watch on and left and if something went wrong, the watch would bring me back. So I became a very big fan of Suunto. The Suunto watch became mine favorite toy. A few months ago I bought Suunto 9 Baro Titanium in the hope of having an even more powerful, safe and modern tool for my adventurous adventures, but at the moment I am very disappointed if Suunto Brand does not correct this omission (to be able to use the created tracks). from the watch without being dependent on a phone) will lose me from their community and maybe I won’t be the only one.
And maybe you didn’t get the sarcasm - that everyone “if” means how absurd it is for Suunto to be dependent on a phone in situations where the phone itself is useless

[sartoric]

@nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

And maybe you didn’t get the sarcasm - that everyone “if” means how absurd it is for Suunto to be dependent on a phone in situations where the phone itself is useless

maybe you didn’t get my sarcasm too about how absurd it’s for a hiker to rely only on a gps (watch or not) when wandering in unknown places following new and unknown paths

I mean, I get your disappointment, but with android I can download, convert and reload the route without any data coverage.
Afaiu @Brad_Olwin can do it on IOs too
In situation like that, I usually bring a power bank with me, so I can charge both watch, phone, head lamp and battery in general … and a map of course