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    The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes

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    • Tomas5T Offline
      Tomas5 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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      @dimitrios-kanellopoulos hopes you are right and they will fix it later. I still love suunto and suunto 5 watch are great. But this small bugs or simplified features reduce the user experience.

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      • Tomas5T Offline
        Tomas5
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        Still an issue in 2.14.16

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        • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Tomas5
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          @tomas5 not going to be fixed soon. In a way it works as designed they say.

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          • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
            Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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            @dimitrios-kanellopoulos to me it clearly looks like a bug. The only way to get 1 min fix in S5 is via custom battery settings and while they are being saved, the watch doesn’t default to custom. Rather - watch defaults to endurance, but if one goes to battery settings and just selects custom - it seems to remember last custom settings (ie. 1 min fix). So it’s not a matter of the watch not remembering the custom settings but somehow wanting to default to one of its main modes - performance or endurance.

            So it’s less than a battery customisation issue (which in essence works OK) but rather a smaller issue of watch forcing the predefined mode instead of custom.

            S9PP 2.40.44

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            • Tomas5T Offline
              Tomas5 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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              @dimitrios-kanellopoulos well it is clearly a bug. When you select custom mode to best. Next time it switch you to performance. This can be accepted because it is same. But when you change custom to good. Next time it switch you to endurance. But endurance means no whr but custom gps good means that you can have whr enabled.

              Next problem is that when i choose performance mode or endurance mode i can switch between them by upper right button. When i switch to custom with gps good i can switch between custom (blue), performance (green), endurance (orange) but next time i want do this excercise i am switched to endurance and i can no logner switch by upper right button to custom mode (blue) i need to go to setting again.

              It should switch to performance every next time and allow to change by upper right button between green,orange,blue. Or it should save and next time stay on prefered setting meaning if i choose performance next time it will be performance, if i choose endurance next time it sill be endurance, if i choose custom (best,good,ok) i should next time stay with my preference.

              But keep it fair, it is not painful bug, at least to me. I need to change to custom very rarely.

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              • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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                I won’t argue. But unfortunately I cannot push anymore for this one. My bug report got denied.

                The reason I am saying this and taking the time to post here , is not to convince you it’s not a bug but rather to indirectly (and now directly) perhaps bother support with this.

                I am not pleased with Suuntos take on this bug tbh.

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                • Tomas5T Offline
                  Tomas5 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                  @dimitrios-kanellopoulos yeah, i know you do your best. Thanks for feedback.

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                  • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                    Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos I appreciate your effort. Thank you. I’m simply puzzled why it’s so low priority and I get it that it probably won’t be fixed 😐

                    S9PP 2.40.44

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                    • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                      @łukasz-szmigiel to be honest and without really knowing , maybe it’s going to be completely reworked or attached to a more bigger task.

                      I thought there was at least a workaround for this but I might be wrong.

                      Anyways. Additionally I would say ping me back here in eta 3 weeks after the product + fw is launched to push them again

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                      • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                        Łukasz Szmigiel
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                        FYI: This is even more buggy than I initially thought. I just realized it as I was too lazy to change it to either Custom or Performance so I left it on broken post-custom Endurance. However when looking at path it seemed strange to me that the points plotted on the map are more like in 1 min fix instead of 2 min fix. So I’ve downloaded GPX from QS and it’s indeed 1 min fix.

                        It seems that S5 doesn’t switch to Endurance from Custom. It seems so from the UI but judging from the GPX - the track is actually saved in 1 min intervals, so:

                        There’s no OHR because the watch enforces Endurance and the UI changes to orange.

                        But the GPS mode is as defined in custom (Good = 1 min).

                        So what results is some kind of weird amalgamation 😄 Not a custom sports mode and not a default Endurance either.

                        Steps to reproduce:

                        1. Go to any outdoor mode
                        2. Go to battery modes, set custom
                        3. Set OHR on, set GPS good
                        4. Confirm custom
                        5. Notice start screen turns blue
                        6. Either exit start screen or start the activity (doesn’t matter, it’ll work this time)
                        7. Go to the same activity
                        8. Notice the UI changes color to orange, indicating the watch defaults to Endurance
                        9. Start the activity and record ~15 min or more
                        10. Check GPX for timestamps - after initial few minutes of 1 sec it defaults to 1 min.

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I know what you said before about this issue, so no additional pressure - just reporting my additional finding as it seems really buggy now.

                        S9PP 2.40.44

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                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                          @łukasz-szmigiel said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

                          Go to any outdoor mode

                          Go to any outdoor mode that will be bonkers afterwards 😛

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                          • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                            @łukasz-szmigiel I am a bit confused. Why would it not use 1min GPS ?

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                            • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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                              Btw I have a workarround. In order to remove the custom dbug, you can set the custom to be performance (change the settings as so) and then use it. It will be green the next time.

                              Maybe the same happened with you @Łukasz-Szmigiel but instead of making the custom performance you made it endurance ?

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                              • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                @dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

                                @łukasz-szmigiel said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

                                Go to any outdoor mode

                                Go to any outdoor mode that will be bonkers afterwards 😛

                                Well running, walking, you get the idea 😛

                                @dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

                                @łukasz-szmigiel I am a bit confused. Why would it not use 1min GPS ?

                                It should use 1min GPS as defined in Custom battery mode. However - the GUI indicates that the watch is in Endurance, which is 2min GPS. Also, OHR is off despite being on in custom.

                                So: UI is Endurance. OHR is Endurance. GPS is Custom.

                                To sum it up.

                                S9PP 2.40.44

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                                • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                  Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                  @dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

                                  Btw I have a workarround. In order to remove the custom dbug, you can set the custom to be performance (change the settings as so) and then use it. It will be green the next time.

                                  Maybe the same happened with you @Łukasz-Szmigiel but instead of making the custom performance you made it endurance ?

                                  I know that you need to set the custom mode to equal performance in order to reset the bug.

                                  S9PP 2.40.44

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                                  • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                    @łukasz-szmigiel isn’t endurance 1min 🙈?

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                                    • EgikaE Offline
                                      Egika Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                      @dimitrios-kanellopoulos yes, endurance is 1min, Ultra 2min

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                                      • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                        Łukasz Szmigiel @Egika
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                                        @egika, @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos, seriously? Is endurance in S5 1 min fix?

                                        S9PP 2.40.44

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                                        • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                          @łukasz-szmigiel I think so. (if you want me I can ask the others)

                                          At least for s9 endurance is 1 min and ultra 5min. But I don’t use those modes personally.

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                                          • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                            Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                            @dimitrios-kanellopoulos so it may be that I’m dumb as a rock. I don’t know how but I was quite sure it’s 2 min in S5 so I was fighting with custom mode for my casual walks when I need just an estimation and there’s no need to drain the battery with 1s.

                                            But still ohr would be handy for better calories estimation as without ohr it’s significantly lower and it seems that one can’t force ohr with endurance if it’s not custom.

                                            S9PP 2.40.44

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