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    • Dušan KovićD Offline
      Dušan Ković @isazi
      last edited by Dušan Ković

      @isazi @ink357 I understand, but saving them and telling users that you won’t be able to use certain screen or feature is still better than deleting 8 (or more) sport modes… I expected that to be backed up to the cloud because why not? It is not rocket science 😄 Check if watch support screens and fields in sport mode, if not alert user that they won’t be able to use particular field and replace that field with some default field 😄 I wish I made MC copies of my sport modes. Now I have to create everything from scratch

      I had one 10 hour overnight hike with S9P. The watch is invisible, you don’t feel it on the hand and it doesn’t catch clothes. Really incredible of suunto to fit a lot in the small watch. Adaptive backlight is great. My two buddies had S9Bs and both of S9B showed bigger distance than S9P. I wish I had both watches on hand and check GPS accuracy.

      SpO2 readings are at best questionable. They really need to make that sensor work better. At this point is mostly unusable data.

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      • surfboomerangS Online
        surfboomerang
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        Nice work Suunto!
        Apparently the S9P is a popular device 👏

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        • K Offline
          kukubau
          last edited by

          Reportedly, the S9 Peak VO2 max is underestimated/or less accurate compared to other sport watches, Sunnto’s and competition’s. Does this have to do with having VO2 max technology licensed from Firstbeat and/or poor implementation?

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          • isaziI Offline
            isazi Moderator @kukubau
            last edited by

            @kukubau I get the same VO2max with the Peak, the Baro, Garmin, and also a Cooper test.

            Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

            Blog: isazi's home

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            • Brad_OlwinB Offline
              Brad_Olwin Moderator @isazi
              last edited by

              @isazi I do not, my Peak and baro register much lower than Cooper or lab tests. But that is because 99% of my runs are below Aerobic threshold and on trails.

              Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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              • isaziI Offline
                isazi Moderator @Brad_Olwin
                last edited by

                @brad_olwin trails must be the reason, my VO2max drops considerably every year (according to the watch, doubt it’s real) when I go to the mountains 🙂

                Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

                Blog: isazi's home

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                • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                  Brad_Olwin Moderator @isazi
                  last edited by

                  @isazi Trails will bring any road runner into reality:)

                  Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                  • cosme.costaC Offline
                    cosme.costa @Brad_Olwin
                    last edited by

                    @brad_olwin said in Suunto 9 Peak:

                    @isazi Trails will bring any road runner into reality:)

                    🤣 🤣 So true!!

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                      chrisc92 Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
                      last edited by

                      @brad_olwinin VO2max is a measure of oxygen cunsomption in and that can only be measured in a lab. in order to have consistent results with a watch, the minimal HR and maximal HR have to be carrefully mesured and entered in the watch (for HRmin, when resting in bed after wakeup)
                      also age and sex have to be entered as Firstbeat uses studies results.

                      Firstbeat algorithms take also into account activity levels and effforts, so HR measurement have to be accurate (test your OHR before or use a belt strap)
                      Also VO2max can change during the week, so if you want to make a test, follow a like-cooper test protocol :
                      run in a straight line and on flat least at 70% of threshold speed

                      for example running at submaximal effort speed for 10 min on flat could give a good VO2max value

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                      • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                        Brad_Olwin Moderator @chrisc92
                        last edited by Brad_Olwin

                        @chrisc92 I understand VO2 Max, my lab test is 8 ml/kg/min higher than the top values I get from the watch. Obviously when I am running hard intervals my max goes up on the watch and down with long trail runs at or below my aerobic threshold (aerobic not anaerobic!). My HR zones are set differently than what Suunto recommends as well, set by my coach. This likely affects the watch calculations as well.

                        Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                          A Former User @Brad_Olwin
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                          @brad_olwin I tend to believe that reality has nothing to do with it. It’s just a calculated metric which lacks some of measured metrics that differentiate these sports. 🙂

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                            chrisc92 Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
                            last edited by chrisc92

                            @brad_olwin I found an old article in french about Firstbeat and Garmin, and the guy noticed that his VO2Max dropped when running in altitude and then he was recomended to run on flat
                            ( don’t know if googgle trad could help there are interesting study references at the end )

                            Firstbeat VO2 estimation - valid or voodoo?
                            Maybe you could contact firstbeat i don’t know if someone know if they have forums ?

                            My opinion is that it is difficult to estimate an oxygen consumption on the field whith such HR devices and GPS.
                            To record a more reliable metric I tried to run with Stryd power meter , a foot pod sensor based on Power estimation . it has a good protocol to calibrate the critical power (like bike FTP) Power Duration Curve is updated by tracking best efforts in your activity
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                            If not running in two much high grades it provide some Normalized Power , as pace zones or HR zones are difficult to estimate when not running on a track.
                            Initially I ordered it to have a better instant pace displayed on the S9B because pods are better when calculating pace based on stride. And it turned out that Stryd is much better than Suunto fused speed

                            Then following this personal curve predictions are more reliable than those based on VO2max percentages

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                            • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                              Brad_Olwin Moderator
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                              @chrisc92 I have a Stryd and have had one a long time. I even have the first version in an HR monitor. Stryd has major issues on trails as well. I use it for trail hill intervals but that is about it. I could go into many details but not worth it here.

                              Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                A Former User @Brad_Olwin
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                                After using the watch for a bit, I have one suggestion for the devs, is it possible to have the menu in infinite loop?
                                It is a bit annoying when you arrive to your fitness level, to have to go all the way back to the main screen.

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                                • DMytroD Offline
                                  DMytro @Guest
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                                  @andré-faria you could hold down the middle button to quickly return to main screen.

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                                  • isaziI Offline
                                    isazi Moderator @Guest
                                    last edited by

                                    @andré-faria swipe to go back to the watch face.

                                    Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

                                    Blog: isazi's home

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                                      wotus Bronze Member
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                                      Every time I start my custom running mode I am forced to calibrate FusedTrack, even if it was calibrated just few minutes before. The Battery mode at start is always custom (endurance), even if my last set up was performance mode.
                                      Why are the last settings not saved?

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                                      • isaziI Offline
                                        isazi Moderator @wotus
                                        last edited by isazi

                                        @wotus I have reported to Suunto this bug already. The custom mode remains the default one once used it for the sport mode. Should be fixed (I hope).

                                        Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

                                        Blog: isazi's home

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                                        • stromdiddilyS Offline
                                          stromdiddily Gold Members
                                          last edited by

                                          Is it too early to ask for a Suunto 9 Peak XL?

                                          I really dig the form factor but it is WAY small compared to the baro…sorry 😆

                                          Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                                          User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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                                            chrisc92 Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
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                                            @brad_olwin oh in trail I think it’s difficult for all products, it depends on elevation but also from the nature of the terrain : sand , mud, rocks have consequences on Running Efficiency. Also woods cause temporary GPS losses, and altitude causes oxygen limitation and hypoxic conditions, more HR for same VO2 consumption.
                                            Vertical speed is more important than pace and specific algorithm should be developped. With Barometer Suunto would have a good platform to make a specific trail sport mode, maybe spO2 could help to determine your acclimation to altitude (Garmin has developed such an index)

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