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    • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
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      @łukasz-szmigiel I think so. (if you want me I can ask the others)

      At least for s9 endurance is 1 min and ultra 5min. But I don’t use those modes personally.

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      • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
        Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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        @dimitrios-kanellopoulos so it may be that I’m dumb as a rock. I don’t know how but I was quite sure it’s 2 min in S5 so I was fighting with custom mode for my casual walks when I need just an estimation and there’s no need to drain the battery with 1s.

        But still ohr would be handy for better calories estimation as without ohr it’s significantly lower and it seems that one can’t force ohr with endurance if it’s not custom.

        S9PP 2.40.44

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        • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
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          @łukasz-szmigiel I get it and many at suunto. We will be changing the settings system. Takes a while though so don’t expect a change soon.

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            Egika Platinum Member @Łukasz Szmigiel
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            @łukasz-szmigiel said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

            @egika, @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos, seriously? Is endurance in S5 1 min fix?

            Sorry, got mislead by the word endurance. this thraad is about S5.
            It has no Endurance or Ultra. Just Best and Good.
            Best is 1s, good is 1min.
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            • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
              Łukasz Szmigiel @Egika
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              @egika isn’t it called performance (green) and endurance (orange)?

              S9PP 2.40.44

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              • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                @dimitrios-kanellopoulos errrr it just came to my attention that S5 does switch to 1s fix on navigation screen when on “good”. It even allows to load POI or route. I don’t think it used to be like this on previous firmware - I think that all navigation features were missing on S5 when not using performance. Is it something introduced in recent firmware or am I a potato?

                S9PP 2.40.44

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                • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
                  last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

                  @łukasz-szmigiel 😅

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                  • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                    Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos press both 😄

                    I swear it wasn’t there. But what do I know. I’m a potato.

                    Anyway - it opens some opportunities for actually using the “good” gps mode on S5, ie. on hikes where the speed is so low that 1s isn’t necessary but the navigation is a must. Good to know it’s there.

                    S9PP 2.40.44

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                    • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                      Łukasz Szmigiel
                      last edited by Łukasz Szmigiel

                      Welcome back, it’s been awhile 😄

                      This time, your friendly potato would like to bring you, my fellow S5 users, a pro tip on how to get an extra battery mode that persists on a particular sports mode, as some may want to use it and it’s not widely explained in the manual.

                      So S5 has two battery modes built in - 1s with HR and 60s with no HR.

                      But if you set custom mode with GPS set to OK, a custom mode will be available (after exiting the training screen) with 120s fix (similar to Ultra on S9).

                      So if you set it - the next time you reach for this particular sports mode, a blue (custom) mode with 120s fix will be available to cycle via the top right button. Cool, eh?

                      The only minor drawback is that in S5 it’s impossible to disable HR in custom battery mode - the watch will always force OHR on so you’ll have to go to workout menu and disable it regardless.

                      But - for low speed activities when ascent/descent and OHR are not important (slow hikes or everyday walks) - this gives up to 80 hours of battery life - even more if you add screen timeout.

                      S9PP 2.40.44

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                      • Brad_OlwinB Online
                        Brad_Olwin Moderator @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                        @łukasz-szmigiel It is 1 min on the S5, I have done testing on this.

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                          @łukasz-szmigiel said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

                          @dimitrios-kanellopoulos errrr it just came to my attention that S5 does switch to 1s fix on navigation screen when on “good”. It even allows to load POI or route. I don’t think it used to be like this on previous firmware - I think that all navigation features were missing on S5 when not using performance. Is it something introduced in recent firmware or am I a potato?

                          This is true for the S9 series as well and has been implemented for a very long time.

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                          • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                            Łukasz Szmigiel @Brad_Olwin
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                            @brad_olwin said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

                            @łukasz-szmigiel It is 1 min on the S5, I have done testing on this.

                            What do you mean? The yellow mode (“good”)? But you can also custom set 2 min as blue with “ok” setting. Or does the watch force 1 min? 😄 I’ll have to check my fit file to be sure 😛

                            S9PP 2.40.44

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                            • Tomas5T Offline
                              Tomas5 @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                              @łukasz-szmigiel time estimstion is different so it should be longer in that setting.

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                              • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                Łukasz Szmigiel @Brad_Olwin
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                                @brad_olwin said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

                                @łukasz-szmigiel said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

                                @dimitrios-kanellopoulos errrr it just came to my attention that S5 does switch to 1s fix on navigation screen when on “good”. It even allows to load POI or route. I don’t think it used to be like this on previous firmware - I think that all navigation features were missing on S5 when not using performance. Is it something introduced in recent firmware or am I a potato?

                                This is true for the S9 series as well and has been implemented for a very long time.

                                Yeah. I know now. That’s why I’m a potato - I was quite sure that when you start with anything else but 1s, navigation will be off 😉

                                S9PP 2.40.44

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                                • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                  Łukasz Szmigiel @Tomas5
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                                  @tomas5 it should be - but so is when you use different modes than 1s but have eta/ete screens - the watch will force 1s regardless of your setting - and you’ll see wrong estimations.

                                  So I wouldn’t bet on those estimations 😉

                                  S9PP 2.40.44

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                                  • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                    Łukasz Szmigiel @Tomas5
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                                    @tomas5 well it seems that OK is OK is 120s:

                                         <trkpt lat="51.0729984" lon="16.9918096">
                                            <ele>120.4</ele>
                                            <time>2021-07-27T15:06:59.000Z</time>
                                            <extensions>
                                              <power></power>
                                              <distance>2167</distance>
                                              <gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
                                                <gpxtpx:cad>49</gpxtpx:cad>
                                                <gpxtpx:speed>1.3</gpxtpx:speed>
                                              </gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
                                            </extensions>
                                          </trkpt>
                                          <trkpt lat="51.0723648" lon="16.9937936">
                                            <ele>124.8</ele>
                                            <time>2021-07-27T15:08:59.000Z</time>
                                            <extensions>
                                              <power></power>
                                              <distance>2322</distance>
                                              <gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
                                                <gpxtpx:cad>62</gpxtpx:cad>
                                                <gpxtpx:speed>1.3</gpxtpx:speed>
                                              </gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
                                            </extensions>
                                          </trkpt>
                                          <trkpt lat="51.0735808" lon="16.9948496">
                                            <ele>124</ele>
                                            <time>2021-07-27T15:10:59.000Z</time>
                                            <extensions>
                                              <power></power>
                                              <distance>2477</distance>
                                              <gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
                                                <gpxtpx:cad>50</gpxtpx:cad>
                                                <gpxtpx:speed>1.3</gpxtpx:speed>
                                              </gpxtpx:TrackPointExtension>
                                            </extensions>
                                          </trkpt>
                                    

                                    S9PP 2.40.44

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                                    • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                      Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                      Gotta love what strava does to modes other than 1s though 💩

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                                      S9PP 2.40.44

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                                        Tomas5 @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                        @łukasz-szmigiel I think strava didn’t have problem with Ambits 12 seconds interval. So maybe bug related only to this single move ?

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                                        • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                          Łukasz Szmigiel @Tomas5
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                                          @tomas5 I think it’s typical to Strava. I know that there’s a workaround to manually pause the workout at last once which gets rid of Strava’s magic. Perhaps Strava’s algorithm that calculates moving time goes nuts with such long GPS fix intervals.

                                          S9PP 2.40.44

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                                          • Brad_OlwinB Online
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                                            @łukasz-szmigiel All you have to do is set to race, that eliminates the lying Strava does and shows moving time=actual time and the file will be fine. It is Strava’s attempts to make everyone look better by removing non-moving time that messes this up since it received altitude data or cadence data with no GPS data.

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