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    Mff73 @Zdeněk Hruška
    last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 10:06

    @Zdeněk-Hruška said in Steep counter:

    A little bit off topic, (…) doesn’t measure HR with the sensor on the wrist correctly for all the people in all the situations. Why is that I wonder. Maybe the wrist is not the best place where to measure heart rate (at least with the current technology it has some limitations).

    to stay little offtopic on that subject, i did a run few days ago, acting like a fieldtester ( 🙂 )
    2 watches + 2 phone softwares + 4 HR measurements tools placed at different places (hey, each one can have fun the way one wants 😉 )

    I wanted to check if HR measured on my wrist by Suunto OHR was due to my wrist or by sensor technology itself (or both, but then my unique test is not enough).

    Just one run with :

    • SV on wrist + OHR enabled

    • S9PP on upper arm with OHR enabled

    • Polar Veritysense (thus OHR sensor) on same upper arm

    • SuuntoApp recording with Suunto Movesense HR belt

    Result is : SV on my wrist has the worst and untrustable result, all other HR measurements are aligned with little offset probably due to blood delay+OHR technology.
    S9PP OHR results on upper arm are really comparable to VeritySense and to HRBelt --> S9PP technology is not in cause (for my wrist).

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      Zdeněk Hruška Bronze Member @Mff73
      last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 10:13

      @Mff73 Very interesting test! Maybe that is why basically all the devices suffer to give stable results on a wrist. I wouldn’t think of wearing the watch on an upper arm 😄 And it’s surprising for me that it’s comparable with the belt or the Verity Sense (which I am often using myself). Thanks for sharing!
      Maybe wearing our watch on our ankles would give us better step counts as well… 😀

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        sartoric Moderator
        last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 10:15

        just as a reference … old but gold

        https://www.suunto.com/Support/faq-articles/suunto-3/how-are-steps-counted/

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          thanasis Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
          last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 10:33

          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Steep counter:

          In general you are trying to achieve a decent step counter with something worn on the hand.

          Back in the days even htc had phones with step counters.

          While the basic need to know steps and calories is there , personally I prefer polars approach of activity instead of steps and calories that will always be so inaccurate.

          So sure, if you are demanding a fish to climb a tree and judge it’s swimming performance by the climbing performance (how can other metrics be accurate ) go ahead and garbage Suunto.

          I am just suggesting replacing the step counter widget on the new watchfaces with something more relevant to the vertical audience like : Altitude ,barometric trend or date.

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            pilleus @Mff73
            last edited by pilleus 26 Apr 2024, 10:35

            @Mff73 said in Steep counter:

            Result is

            for me … the heavier the watch, the wider the strap needs to be.

            The SV with a 24 mm strap (I took the one from the S7) gives very accurate results on the wrist. A 26 mm strap would be the optimum.

            So there are simple solutions that would improve the results.

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              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @thanasis
              last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 11:08

              @thanasis for sure.

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                lilaceo @Zdeněk Hruška
                last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 11:18

                @Zdeněk-Hruška said in Steep counter:

                Zdeněk Hruška
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                @pilleus
                a day ago

                @pilleus But all of that what you hear is correct. There are more precise ways how to measure certain… measures
                But I can tell you a difference between how important is to have for example precise HR and precise GPS versus steps counting - at least for a sports oriented watch. There are use cases for it you know. There are situations for which it matters to have a precise HR. There are also situations where it matters to have a precise GPS. We can find many examples. There isn’t any use case known to me where it matters to have precise steps count. You just want a perfect number just for a sake of it or am I wrong? How will you use that perfect number if you have it? Maybe I just don’t know I can be wrong I admit that. That’s why I am asking.
                Enjoy your time outside:)

                I suppose you work for suunto ? Am I wrong ?.. The fact is that you are selling a watch , one of the best of the market , and the sleeping mode doesn’t work correctly, stepcounting doesn’t work correctly, many times when you do a software upgrade you have to do a hard reset , maybe 600 hundreds euros is not enough for you… ? i have others smartwaches that all they promises it simply works very well.

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                  A Former User
                  last edited by A Former User 26 Apr 2024, 11:52

                  I’m just going to pee, my vertical has 300 steps. This is totally unacceptable. In 6 hours, I make 10,000 without leaving the office.
                  I’ve never had this problem with Garmin

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                    thanasis Bronze Member @Guest
                    last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 12:07

                    @Fizzgig said in Steep counter:

                    I’m just going to pee, my vertical has 300 steps. This is totally unacceptable. In 6 hours, I make 10,000 without leaving the office.
                    I’ve never had this problem with Garmin

                    do you pee like 333 times in 6 hours?

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                      A Former User @Guest
                      last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 12:25

                      @Fizzgig said in Steep counter:

                      I’m just going to pee, my vertical has 300 steps. This is totally unacceptable. In 6 hours, I make 10,000 without leaving the office.
                      I’ve never had this problem with Garmin

                      More or less the same here. I have 500 steps just from turning on the coffee machine in the morning, and my coffee machine is maybe 20-30 steps away from my bedroom… So. My Garmin isn’t completely accurate either, but I have never seen a stepcounter as inaccurate as the S9PP and Vertical before. Ever. Not even close! We are talking deviations of several thousands of steps every day.

                      Yesterday I went on a motorcycle ride for 2 hours. My vertical recorded around 6000 steps from this activity, my Garmin maybe 200-300. So Garmin is far from perfect, but there is a huge difference in accuracy and quality here. Granted, my Vertical is more accurate in GPS tracking and altimeter, but those metrics are the only metrics it is more accurate in, everything else seems way off.

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                        Zdeněk Hruška Bronze Member @Guest
                        last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 12:35

                        @neonix Maybe one more question. What do you do with the metric? When you know how many steps you have done. What do you do with it? Are you watching some graphs after week / month / year and do some decisions about it? For example you decide that you will do 1000 steps more another week? Or how is the metric used in your day to day life? I am curious maybe I will understand why it’s important for you. Thanks.

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                          A Former User @thanasis
                          last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 12:36

                          @thanasis

                          Comic!
                          Just by moving your wrist, the watch counts steps. Try turning your wrist around several times without moving. You will have the impression of being at the casino in front of the roulette wheel.

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                            Zdeněk Hruška Bronze Member @Guest
                            last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 12:40

                            @Fizzgig How does it affect your day to day life knowing exactly how many steps did you do in a day?

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                              pilleus @Zdeněk Hruška
                              last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 12:50

                              @Zdeněk-Hruška said in Steep counter:

                              @Fizzgig How does it affect your day to day life knowing exactly how many steps did you do in a day?

                              Your repetitive standard answer is getting boring …

                              My answer to that: I don’t need any data from a GPS watch at all for my daily life, otherwise I would have had a real problem with life and sport until I was 45.

                              I just need light, air and love … 😊

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                                Zdeněk Hruška Bronze Member @lilaceo
                                last edited by Zdeněk Hruška 26 Apr 2024, 12:52

                                @lilaceo I work for Suunto? No I don’t have any relations so please keep the discussion decent. I have bought the watch. I made a research and bought watch which suit my needs.

                                I have never said there aren’t issue with Suunto watches and that everything is perfect. I was just asking several times why do you need an exact step count and what the value does bring into your life, why the trend is not enough. So far there weren’t any logical arguments from anyone. These are outdoor and sports watch from my point of view so I want their outdoor and sport functionality to be the best it can be. If there are issues on that side then I am pissed as anyone else here.

                                But in this topic everyone talks about steps. That’s all I wanted to say. That there is no reason known to me why it’s important to know exactly how many steps you do in a day. But I don’t want to repeat all my arguments. I am giving up on this discussion to be honest. If you think counting steps is important and valuable for your life then who am I to tell you something else. I believe you have read about the topic and made a research for yourself why to know the exact step count. I couldn’t find any resources or scientific studies in that regard and nobody here showed any.

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                                  Zdeněk Hruška Bronze Member @pilleus
                                  last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 12:54

                                  @pilleus And that’s why you bought an expensive GPS watch and complain about steps. Makes sense 🙂

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                                    A Former User @Zdeněk Hruška
                                    last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 13:00

                                    @Zdeněk-Hruška

                                    Unless I’m mistaken, the number of steps is included in the calculation of recovery. I don’t care about the number of steps taken daily, but when I spend 600 euros on a watch dedicated to sports, I expect a minimum of reliability. If we add the heart sensor completely to the mix, that’s a lot… Anyway, it’s a bit like Apple fans. Impossible to get objective feedback.

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                                      taziden Gold Members @Guest
                                      last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 13:03

                                      @Fizzgig said in Steep counter:

                                      @Zdeněk-Hruška

                                      Unless I’m mistaken, the number of steps is included in the calculation of recovery.

                                      I don’t think it is. Where did you read that?

                                      S9PP

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                                        Zdeněk Hruška Bronze Member @Guest
                                        last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 13:04

                                        @Fizzgig Yeah because I was giving here concrete arguments about the steps and about the issues which even the other companies have. I have never said anything to defend Suunto. I don’t care which watch I would wear. The steps would be still of the same importance to me. None. So I am not sure who has issues to be objective here 🙂

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                                          pilleus @Zdeněk Hruška
                                          last edited by 26 Apr 2024, 13:06

                                          @Zdeněk-Hruška

                                          A friend said you can have it as a gift, so I said thank you and shook his hand.

                                          And since I saw that the watch was counting steps without me taking any, I thought it couldn’t be and reported it here and there. In the belief that this is not a problem for a programmer. Because other programmers can do it too and don’t advise me to take another watch and throw it in the bin.

                                          And I personally don’t care whether or not steps are important to you or anyone else. The watch offers it, the watch has to be able to do it.

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