Suunto ZoneSense

sartoric

@AntoniusGaius said in Suunto ZoneSense:

@sartoric New one.

Do you moist the pads ?

halajos

@AntoniusGaius I also switched to polar H10, because I can get replacement belts for it on ebay for the fraction of the price of a new Suunto belt.

AntoniusGaius

@sartoric Of course Heavily. I checked other activities in runalyze back to September and I found one export from 24.9.2023 and it was corrupted too. Strap has to be definitely bad…

tomtom73

I’ve tested zonesense for a few sessions and the results seems sometimes strange to me.
Today the watch didn’t show red zone and the suunto app shows it. Well why not but the 2nd threshold seems quite low (lower than my lab tested 1st threshold…) On top of that zonesense dropped backed to green zone when I finish my effort and my HR was going near my “normal” 2nd threshold and what I know I can sustain for ~1hour racing.

2 days ago the 1st threshold was at 116bpm.

The difference in measurements seems huge doesn’t it ? I’m not sure if there is anything I can interpret based on that

Mff73

@tomtom73
before any interpretation, you would check first the quality of the RR data registered for such activity. Runalyze provide such information (search the forum for little more detail on this).
Without good quality of RR intervals, i would assume that ZS could not tell any real “truth”.
i would be really great if Suunto could provide such data quality indicator, at least, user would have this information before any analysis. Or even ZS indicate like a level of trust, or something like this…

tomtom73

@Mff73 Thanks !
Runalyze shows ~1% anomalies with a polar h10 strap. Is this bad data quality ?

Ian Munslow

Had my first run with the new HR belt. Really like the idea of Zonesense, tested it on a mid week slow run, after being inactive for a couple of weeks due to sickness (man-flu…). Made a point of not really keeping an eye on HR but after the 10min initial window I followed the Zonesense and tried to stick in the green aerobic zone. After the hour loop was up the on watch (vertical) app showed I had about 75/25 aerobic/anaerobic, however, after syncing to the phone (android) the app say’s 98% aerobic. Seems to be a big disconnect between the two.

Is this a bug or a feature?

Ian Munslow

While I like the idea, I do find however that ZoneSense does make the app and data more confusing…
A recent run ZoneSense had me at 98% Aerobic, while the HR Zones records at 87% in the Anerobic zones (47% zone 3 & 40% zone 4).

So which is it…

halajos

ZoneSense data in the mobile app seems to be affected by pausing the activity. Below is a chart from today’s ramp test I attempted on a treadmill, trying to get thresholds calculated by ZoneSense. I had to pause the watch as the treadmill was initially set to displays speed in imperial units and I had to figure out how to set it for metric system. The intensity zones are shifted toward the right, where on the watch I saw VO2max zone az the highest intensity level, in the last 5 minutes. The watch was paused for about 6-7 minutes, which looks to be aligned with the shift on the chart.

herlas

@Ian-Munslow ZS is a 3 zones schema and it won’t align with 5 zones schema from the start, however, over time when you get thresholds measured by ZS and a good sense of what your thresholds are, you can update Z3 to aerobic threshold value provided by ZS, and similarly, Z5 to your anaerobic threshold. Even though ZS is based on 3 training zones, once you do above, discrepancy between ZS 3 zones and the 5 zone schema will be less and less. In my case I don’t put same attention to the 5 zones anymore,I find ZS 3 zones way simpler and more realistic.

far-blue

@Ian-Munslow You don’t mention how your HR zones were set but unless they were calculated after recently attending a lab-based LT and VO2Max testing session then I’d suggest the ZS values are going to be more accurate and you should consider using the ZS info to adjust your HR zones I suggest this because ZS is (almost) directly measuring the LT1 and LT2 thresholds while most of us set our HR zones based on a Max HR effort test every now and then and some guesswork based on percentages.

pilleus

Please, Suunto, fix the bug in ZoneSense that when an additional sport app is selected, ZoneSense no longer shows the pointer on the outer ring (green, yellow, red zone) and instead a 00:00 is shown in the graph in the middle of the display. Without the pointer, I don’t know where in the current area (green, yellow, red) I am currently moving and in which direction ZoneSense is moving.

Thanks for reading!

herlas

@pilleus do you experience this issue with any S+? Specially for S+ climb, one trick to get it working with ZS is to add it once ZS 10 mins warm-up has passed.

far-blue

@pilleus I’ve not experienced this. I’ve used ZS alongside structured workouts (from TAO) during training and alongside the hydration app and the last-km apps during races (different races, obviously) as well as alongside snap-to-route and normal routed navigation with climb guidance. This is with my Race S. Are there specific sports apps that cause it?

pilleus

The combination ultra walking and ZoneSense doesn’t work for me. And it’s no option for me to wait 10 minutes and then activate the s+ app. It’s just a workaround to fix a faulty behaviour.

wakarimasen

@Dušan-Ković said in Suunto ZoneSense:

I will add videos here, so they are easier to find:

EP1: https://youtu.be/YBVSs8ju0JM
EP2: https://youtu.be/XFbgiljNBXc
EP3: https://youtu.be/-fidaYqS988
EP4: https://youtu.be/bD3O4BZ9vIc

as I understand it HR belt is a must, because it needs HRV measurement. I wish this could work on Verity Sense or similar optical HR bands.

These videos are superb! I only just got around to watching them, and I now (for the first time) really understand the metrics that have confounded me for the last few years.

daveathletic

Hi there, would you recommend to set HR zones according to Zonesense values?
I have been trying to get my Zones more or less accurate but it seems they don’t fit with the Zonesense values. Any help appreciated.
For example, Zonesense displays my aerobic threshold between 153-159 bpm max. So Zone 2 would be probably somewhere between 130-160 bpm.
How should I setup my zones if using Zonesense values.
Just curious if these values are good to use if you don’t want to do a LT and VO2 max test in a sports lab.
Thanks for your help.

Danny poleg

A small recommendation
To add to suunto Plus zonesense the current running pace so that it well be possible to maintain a pace while examining which zone I am in.
Today while running 22 km I really wanted to know how the running pace affects the zone sense without pressing buttons
@isazi
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

Egika

@Danny-poleg you have this already. In the S+ settings in the app, you can select which data to cycle with the top button in the ZoneSense screen.

Danny poleg

@Egika
I checked - thanks
While I’m on the ZONESENSE screen, pressing the top button switches between data and adjusts the color spectrum according to the zone I’m in