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    raven Bronze Member @2b2bff
    last edited by 13 Apr 2025, 15:15

    The Garmin Pro and Pro Plus, in addition to ANT+, can send three BLE signals. Here’s the comparison chart from Garmin:

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    What I don’t see is any indication that those three BLE signals differ in any way. I’m curious about the claim from Brad that only one bluetooth channel can send the appropriate data, as I see no indication of that in Garmin’s comparison. Also, if true, I’d like to know if that deficit also affects the Wahoo HRM.

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      wakarimasen Silver Members @Brad_Olwin
      last edited by 13 Apr 2025, 15:42

      @Brad_Olwin said in Suunto ZoneSense:

      @2b2bff My HRm_Pro his 3 channels but only sends RR on one. Maybe H-10 is different.

      Polar H10 can send HR data to three separate receivers, simultaneously: two via bluetooth and one via Ant+. I routinely run with two watches ‘hooked up’ to the same belt, but three would be possible, so long as one was Garmin and was connected last.

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        raven Bronze Member @wakarimasen
        last edited by 13 Apr 2025, 15:48

        @wakarimasen ANT+ can send many connections; I’m not sure of the limit but it’s certainly more than one.

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          wakarimasen Silver Members @raven
          last edited by 13 Apr 2025, 15:54

          @raven said in Suunto ZoneSense:

          @wakarimasen ANT+ can send many connections; I’m not sure of the limit but it’s certainly more than one.

          Didn’t know that! I thought I was being greedy with a total of three! 😉

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            2b2bff @raven
            last edited by 13 Apr 2025, 15:58

            @raven that chart is clearly off. HRM Dual has no running dynamics nor stand-alone activity monitoring and isn’t made for swimming…

            HRM-SWIM, PRO and PRO-PLUS has no detachable module…

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              raven Bronze Member @2b2bff
              last edited by 13 Apr 2025, 20:15

              @2b2bff I think this was the page I found that info:

              https://support.garmin.com/en-IE/?faq=Wr0GuiiSEx3BE4mBMX7UL8

              I don’t have a Garmin HRM myself. From time to time I’ve considered adding a new HRM as I have the Polar H10 but occasionally have the need for three bluetooth connections and was considering the Wahoo TRACKR one. However, now this thread has me concerned if there’s situations where HRMs with multiple bluetooth might have differing capabilities on each connection. I was hoping searching at Gamin would give me insight to what Brad was claiming.

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                Inge Nallsson @wakarimasen
                last edited by 14 Apr 2025, 07:04

                @wakarimasen said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                so long as one was Garmin and was connected last

                First just let Garmin identify the two BT channels, and then disable any attempt to connect with them. No need to wait in the wings for a special connection order 😉

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                  wakarimasen Silver Members @Inge Nallsson
                  last edited by 14 Apr 2025, 21:40

                  @Inge-Nallsson said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                  @wakarimasen said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                  so long as one was Garmin and was connected last

                  First just let Garmin identify the two BT channels, and then disable any attempt to connect with them. No need to wait in the wings for a special connection order 😉

                  From my experience if you connect the Garmin before the others, it takes one of the Bluetooth connections. Then you can’t connect one of the other (Bluetooth only) watches.

                  @Inge-Nallsson said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                  @wakarimasen said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                  so long as one was Garmin and was connected last

                  First just let Garmin identify the two BT channels, and then disable any attempt to connect with them. No need to wait in the wings for a special connection order 😉

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                  Suunto Ambit3 Peak
                  Polar H10
                  Polar OH1

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                    Inge Nallsson @wakarimasen
                    last edited by 15 Apr 2025, 05:51

                    @wakarimasen Garmin have always given complete control over how the connections are handled, at least from 2013 when I first used one of their products - them being FR620, FR630, Fenix5X and FR955. Walkthrough for a Forerunner 955 (running slightly old FW; they’ve probably changed the the menu wordings slightly now) with a new Polar H10:

                    • Put on the strap (slightly moist for better connection.
                    • Hold ‘Menu’ button of FR955.
                    • Choose “Sensors & Accessories”.
                    • “Auto Discover” can be at the “Off” position for the next step.
                    • Choose “Add New” --> “External HR”.
                    • “Searching for sensor.” is displayed.
                    • “Sensors Found” “HR - 08.93.F2.A6.F8” displayed (for my first BT channel). “Select to Add”.
                    • Do select…
                    • Now the above named sensor turns up in the list as “Connected”.
                    • Click on that listing…
                    • Click on the word “Connected” and it immediately switches to “Off”.
                    • In that entry you can also give the BT channel a more comprehensive name, e.g. ‘Polar-BT1-H10’.

                    From now on (unless you turn it on, of course) the FR955 will never connect to that BT channel again. Perform the same step with the second BT channel when you’ve turned it on with a Polar app. I can’t remember if Garmin choose to ‘find’ the ANT+ broadcast before Bluetooth, but it is easily identified as using only a simple digits ID, whole numbers no seperations. In such a case (it being connected), turn it to the “Off” state before searching for BT channels.

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                      isazi Moderator @Luis Andés Olmedo
                      last edited by 15 Apr 2025, 09:22

                      @Luis-Andés-Olmedo he is in contact with Suunto that is trying to understand why it does not seem to work for him. So good news.

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                        timecode
                        last edited by 18 Apr 2025, 17:05

                        Any idea why the ZS graph is cut off at the end (last 10 minutes)?

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                          far-blue Bronze Member @timecode
                          last edited by 18 Apr 2025, 22:08

                          @timecode do you have HR data for that last 10mins? Maybe you lost the HR monitor connection.

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                            timecode @far-blue
                            last edited by 19 Apr 2025, 05:14

                            @far-blue good point, but yes, I do have hr data also for the last 10 minutes.

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                              SirMcKey Bronze Member @timecode
                              last edited by 19 Apr 2025, 05:48

                              @timecode Good morning timecode,
                              watch your HR-data: You ran downhill and maybe HR was under 120 b/m?

                              Happy easter 🙂

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                                timecode @SirMcKey
                                last edited by 19 Apr 2025, 07:40

                                @SirMcKey good morning, not really. Here you can see that my hr was quite high 🙂

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                                  halajos Bronze Member @timecode
                                  last edited by 19 Apr 2025, 09:02

                                  @timecode HR signal quality was probably bad in the last 10 minutes. If the R-R interval data is not good enough, then ZoneSense doesn’t work, at it needs that data. You can check the R-R data quality in Runalyze.

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                                    A Former User @timecode
                                    last edited by 19 Apr 2025, 09:05

                                    @timecode Or maybe the chest strap got disconnected toward the end, and the wrist-based heart rate sensor took over — which would explain why the data is there, but ZoneSense is missing.

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                                      maszop Bronze Member @Guest
                                      last edited by 19 Apr 2025, 09:50

                                      @Ghost I don’t think that’s how it works, but I haven’t checked.
                                      I don’t think there’s any switching between the belt and OHR.

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                                        halajos Bronze Member @maszop
                                        last edited by halajos 19 Apr 2025, 10:19

                                        @maszop said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                                        I don’t think there’s any switching between the belt and OHR.
                                        That’s true, no fallback to OHR

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                                          timecode @Guest
                                          last edited by 19 Apr 2025, 16:02

                                          @Ghost no that doesn’t work that way. Once the HR strap is disconnected there is simply no measurement - OHR won’t take over, unfortunately. It happened a few times to me already 🤷‍♂️

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