Rumors and dreams

halajos

@fv4500 we never know. None of those watches with AMOLED display do specifically target hard core outdoor adventurers/explorers, like the Vertical does.

A Former User

@taziden Have you tried it on in a store?

I have a ~17cm wrist, and I hesitated to buy the Suunto Vertical for about a year because I thought it would be too large for me. Plus, we don’t have any Suunto stores in my country, so trying it on wasn’t an option. I previously used a FR 255 and tried on a Fenix 7, but it looked pretty awkward on my small wrist. Eventually, I noticed everyone switching to AMOLED displays, so I decided to go ahead and order the Vertical. When it arrived, I was surprised at how well it fit and how comfortable it was, even though it’s a 49mm watch. For me, the problem with Garmin watches has always been the lug-to-lug distance. The FR 255 is a 45.6mm watch, but its lug-to-lug distance is actually a little longer than the Vertical’s(49mm). Now, I find the Vertical’s size quite comfortable — I can even sleep with it on — though, compared to the S9PP, it’s still less comfortable.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

@Sportsfreund too large. I have a small wrist and enjoy having a watch 24/7 which doesn’t get in my way. I like 9PP for it being pretty transparent (if you don’t mind the vibrations).

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

@fv4500 I think that MIP will be reserved for strictly outdoor oriented watches that will be released less often than new AMOLED devices. Unless someone comes with a hybrid technology that will utilise AMOLED for swiping the carousel and MIP or something similar for activities.

Sportsfreund

@Dan-Cantir So I measured my wrist straight away It measures 19.5 cm.

taziden

@Dan-Cantir said in Rumors and dreams:
Now, I find the Vertical’s size quite comfortable — I can even sleep with it on — though, >compared to the S9PP, it’s still less comfortable.

Well, I already have a S9PP, so I’d rather have something as comfortable

sky-runner

Speaking about dreams, I just want a bit more advanced Race or Vertical with AMOLED display (because of old eyes), 50 hours battery life with dual-band GNSS, maps, and navigation, and a more advanced OHR sensor. I would prefer a rotating crown similar to the one in Race and Race S. Titanium body and sapphire crystal would be a plus. Also, having a built-in flashlight would be a plus. Also, if I could dream, I would prefer a 5 button setup (4 buttons + crown) more similar to what we had on Suunto Ambit. That would allow additional UI shortcuts and better UX.

Feature vice, I want a bit more advanced elevation profile, closer to what Garmin Climb Pro is, but with ability to scroll. Also I want Garmin’s Up Ahead feature, and Strava Live segments implementation that matches Garmin’s implementation (100 segments and support for downhill running segments). That plus all current Suunto features. If Suunto releases something like that, I’ll immediately buy it.

Swaddy61

@sky-runner Sounds like you actually want / need a Garmin!

jjpaz

Oooh, velcro strap… and… new watchfaces…

sky-runner

@Swaddy61 said in Rumors and dreams:

sky-runner Sounds like you actually want / need a Garmin!

I already have Garmin Fenix 7X. I don’t trust Garmin recently because of how buggy the software is. There are a lot of reports of crashes and I’ve experienced some crashes myself. Also the map experience is rather poor.

I’d rather have a slightly improved Suunto. I am not asking for much.

Tieutieu

@sky-runner except the longer battery life if amoled and improved OHR, for all the other things I’m not with you. SV as already everything needed. UI is already simple, 3 buttons is more than enough combine with touchscreen. Sapphire and TI already there.
Suunto climb does the job very well.
For the crown I own both SV and SRs. Except when I’m forced to use the crown due to UI, I almost don’t use it on SRs.
No opinion on strava features (I don’t use it and don’t want too).

I would rather (and hope) to see what’s coming next as FW upgrades.

sky-runner

@Tieutieu said in Rumors and dreams:

3 buttons is more than enough combine with touchscreen

I’d disagree with this. Modern Suunto watches have lost some of the UX features of Suunto Ambit because of the dumbed down 3 button interface.

Ability to have shortcuts to commonly used features during an activity. This was possible in Ambit Series but is no longer possible.
Ability to rotate through different views of the same data screen, which, for instance, would be very useful on the map screen. For example in Ambit I could instantly toggle between a detailed map, and overview map, and an upcoming waypoint view by pressing the View mode. I think that was super useful. In contrast, modern Suunto UX has completely lost the ability to give you details about about an upcoming waypoint, except when you do a direct navigation to a single waypoint.
Furthermore, additional buttons could be used in S+ apps. Instead some S+ apps end up overriding existing buttons, which blocks their normal functionality. For example, ZoneSense overrides the “Start/Stop” button, which means you cannot stop or pause an activity while on ZoneSense screen. That doesn’t seem like a great UX decision to me, and the main reason for that is the lack of buttons. Similarly, the lap button is used for the map/navigation menu while on the map screen, which means you can no longer make laps unless you change to another screen.

With regards to touch, it is nice to have, but becomes very annoying when wearing a long sleeve shirt once it becomes wet from sweat or rain. The touch keeps activating unintentionally. And because of the limited number of buttons, there is no longer a way to lock/unlock the watch using the buttons. That was possible with Ambit series. In general I don’t think I ever use the touch screen except in rare cases when when I need to pan the map, which isn’t very often. To me, the touch functionality is perhaps more annoying than useful because of how often it does things on its own unintentionally.

Except when I’m forced to use the crown due to UI, I almost don’t use it on SRs.

You and I may be using our watches very differently. I use the crown all the time to zoom the map in and out when trail running, depending of whether I want to see more of the path ahead or focus on staying on the path when there are a lot of intersections. Other than that I don’t use crown that much.

maszop

@Tieutieu said in Rumors and dreams:

3 buttons is more than enough combine with touchscreen. Sapphire and TI already there.

It’s not quite like that. The keys are also used to make it easier to use the watch, e.g. with gloves, in the rain, frost, or when using trekking poles or an ice axe, etc. Add to this the negligible usefulness of the Lap Button in many activities, in reality, there are only 2 usable buttons left.

Suunto climb does the job very well.

Something like the Climber feature from Hammerhead would be perfect.

Brad_Olwin

@sky-runner said in Rumors and dreams:

@Tieutieu said in Rumors and dreams:

3 buttons is more than enough combine with touchscreen

With regards to touch, it is nice to have, but becomes very annoying when wearing a long sleeve shirt once it becomes wet from sweat or rain. The touch keeps activating unintentionally. And because of the limited number of buttons, there is no longer a way to lock/unlock the watch using the buttons. That was possible with Ambit series.

A long press on the lower button will bring up a menu, First on that is button lock, which I use with SkiMo. So it is there.

In general I don’t think I ever use the touch screen except in rare cases when when I need to pan the map, which isn’t very often. To me, the touch functionality is perhaps more annoying than useful because of how often it does things on its own unintentionally.

That is when I use it as well. On the Vertical one can set a Custom Battery mode to have touch on only when the Map is present. I rarely have issues with sleeves interfering with the touch screen or rain. But our rain is different than yours. When Ski Mountaineering I lock the screen.

Except when I’m forced to use the crown due to UI, I almost don’t use it on SRs.

You and I may be using our watches very differently. I use the crown all the time to zoom the map in and out when trail running, depending of whether I want to see more of the path ahead or focus on staying on the path when there are a lot of intersections. Other than that I don’t use crown that much.

I use the Race in summer and find the crown an enhancement. In the winter I find the crown cumbersome and use the Vertical or Ocean. I know, I have access to these watches. If I was purchasing and not testing I would own a Race S as it is ideal for running and a Vertical as I would use the latter for Ski Mountaineering, Multi-day FastPacks and any races longer than 100k. I wear the Race S for sleeping and most of the time.

Fenr1r

@sky-runner said in Rumors and dreams:

Ability to rotate through different views of the same data screen, which, for instance, would be very useful on the map screen. For example in Ambit I could instantly toggle between a detailed map, and overview map, and an upcoming waypoint view by pressing the View mode. I think that was super useful. In contrast, modern Suunto UX has completely lost the ability to give you details about about an upcoming waypoint, except when you do a direct navigation to a single waypoint.

The UX didn’t just give up on the button to show the results of the function, the post-Ambit FW gave up on the function. You could add back the button to toggle views … and you’d get the same on-route details that a “Next WP” field in an exercise mode will give today. I’d like the option for direct-to-WP details, too, but I don’t think that’s precluded by the 3-button layout.

2b2bff

@Brad_Olwin said in Rumors and dreams:

I use the Race in summer and find the crown an enhancement. In the winter I find the crown cumbersome and use the Vertical or Ocean. I know, I have access to these watches. If I was purchasing and not testing I would own a Race S as it is ideal for running and a Vertical as I would use the latter for Ski Mountaineering, Multi-day FastPacks and any races longer than 100k. I wear the Race S for sleeping and most of the time.

I had the impression that you can only pair one watch with the Suunto App. Am I wrong?

AntoniusGaius

@2b2bff said in Rumors and dreams:

@Brad_Olwin said in Rumors and dreams:

I use the Race in summer and find the crown an enhancement. In the winter I find the crown cumbersome and use the Vertical or Ocean. I know, I have access to these watches. If I was purchasing and not testing I would own a Race S as it is ideal for running and a Vertical as I would use the latter for Ski Mountaineering, Multi-day FastPacks and any races longer than 100k. I wear the Race S for sleeping and most of the time.

I had the impression that you can only pair one watch with the Suunto App. Am I wrong?

I have two of them paired. S9PP and Ambit 3 peak. I use both. You can easy switch between them. I’m on iOS app.

Brad_Olwin

@2b2bff said in Rumors and dreams:

@Brad_Olwin said in Rumors and dreams:

I use the Race in summer and find the crown an enhancement. In the winter I find the crown cumbersome and use the Vertical or Ocean. I know, I have access to these watches. If I was purchasing and not testing I would own a Race S as it is ideal for running and a Vertical as I would use the latter for Ski Mountaineering, Multi-day FastPacks and any races longer than 100k. I wear the Race S for sleeping and most of the time.

I had the impression that you can only pair one watch with the Suunto App. Am I wrong?

I have 8 or 9 watches in my BT list paired to SA, only one will connect to SA at a time but dead easy to switch between them. iOS.

Elipsus

If I could have a watch of my dreams ?
well, I love, my 9peak pro, so , let’s start with that, its a compact and beautiful machine, nothing even come close for “smartwatch that can be worn with a suit”.

Put a wider screen so that the ugly gigantic bezels are less unsightly now that its wider ,put some map support
keep the MIP ans sapphire cristal,
add dual band GPS from Vertical
add solar if you can
and use the enhanced HRM from Race S.

Then, you manufacture this in Finland, so that you have a real differentiation factor from “absolutely all other sport smartwatches in the world” (to my knowledge ?)
You ship it with a software that does “exactly the same as before” but you stop adding bugs, and unnecessary fluff

Make it 1000€; i don’t care if this is what it should cost, Garmin can sell 1000€ ugly-ass fenix made in Taiwan, so you’re still good margin wise.

Instant buy, no questions asked, i would even add 2 extra overpriced wrist-straps just for support

kriskus

@Elipsus So, basically a Vertical S