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    tiftif
    last edited by 21 Feb 2019, 05:35

    Hi everyone,
    I was going to buy an Ambit 3 (from the suunto website itself!!!) when I ran into this discussion. What horrifying news that I saw… just realised that I was going to buy an obsolete piece of equipment, of which everyone was telling the best.
    Why spending around 300€ for a so-called “smart” watch if by next year I won’t be able to define sports modes, and other setups on it?
    I need a rather simple watch, not a complete toolbox like the Spartan and S9 are, with an incredible battery life, without gadgets (for me) like the HR monitor. The A3 was, that I thought, the perfect match…
    I was found of Suunto, believed in this brand as a brand that was selling solid products (my Vector altimeter is working well after maybe 10years and many shocks on it). I recommended Suunto to all of my friends and relatives as a serious brand… What a fool.
    First removing the full support of a product you are still selling on your very own website (!!), then, removing the possibility to utilise a web based solution, forcing us to use our mobile phone (provided you can install the app!) is a very bad and risky move.
    I have a professional phone only. I cannot install all the apps I want, so I would need to get a second phone just to sync my watch? +I’m not born with a smart phone in my hands. I don’t like this little screen and it I need to check a route, analyse my moves… I certainly don’t want to do this on a screen that’s not even the size of my palm.

    This is my first message on this forum, maybe my last.
    To all the moderators and community managers out here: you can add me to the group of disappointed customers. And be sure that if there is no way back or a proper computer based solution announced soon for A3 users as well as A1/A2, I’ll leave this brand without turning back (and I’ll be sure to let as many people as possible aware of this too).

    Fingers crossed.
    Cyril

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      Bud Spence
      last edited by 21 Feb 2019, 22:47

      Ambit2.
      Thank you for mentioning these watches. Basically you’re saying that this watch will become obsolete. It’s OK that I can copy my data from movescount.
      But I will no longer be able to upload new moves and not even update orbital data.
      You need to do more than that. Either you make a USB connection to a smartphone work or make it work with Strava directly or something.

      I have bought the Ambit2 in Sapphire version because I wanted it to last long. After years of use there is no scratch on the display screen and only slight scratches on the INOX. It is working perfectly and I don’t want to change it.
      If this watch becomes obsolete… I will switch brands, sorry guys.

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        DaveFox Bronze Member
        last edited by 24 Feb 2019, 12:49

        Suunto - please change your statement “Movescount will remain until summer 2020” to “Movescount will remain until the app is fully functional for all users”.

        I bought my Ambit3 Run after reviewing. Movescount is part of the deal. If the app doesn’t work…as it doesn’t on my Kindle Fire tablet…I will require a full refund if you remove Movescount.

        I appreciate that the app may well be fixed for me at some point, but a simple commitment to your Movescount customers is required.

        After latest auto update of the app on my Kindle Fire, it does at least now recognise my watch, but fails to pair as I don’t know the PIN.

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          tiftif
          last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 14:45

          After more than one month, 500 messages and 30 000 views on this sole thread, there is still no official reaction from Suunto… I’m hopeless…
          I know 1 month is rather short, in an industrial scheme, but considering the versatility of the market, the clear insatisfaction of numerous users (mostly those using so-called “old” watches, but by old I also include watches like the A3 that are still being sold) I’m speachless and disgusted by a brand that I thought had some ethics…

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            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @tiftif
            last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos 25 Feb 2019, 14:47

            @tiftif After all these views and these posts if you consider a brand that hears customers you should wait for changes to happen. Else it makes no sense raising your voice.
            If something is to change and you people here migth be able to change this , again, dont expect something like:

            Oh yeah users dont like it bad decision revert and all this to happen in what 2 weeks?

            Changes , risks, etc require time. Its not one person pressing a button eh!

            Most important: There is nothing Shutdown atm. There is no damage done but hey you are just pushing it.

            Community Manager / Admin @Suunto
            Creator of Quantified-Self.io
            youtube.com/c/dimitrioskanellopoulos
            https://instagram.com/dimitrioskanellopoulos
            https://www.strava.com/athletes/7586105

            N 1 Reply Last reply 25 Feb 2019, 15:39 Reply Quote 4
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              Navigator Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
              last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 15:39

              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos we weren’t informed ’ 2 weeks’ ago about the cessation of service. I received a mail on the 15th Jan, 6 weeks ago. It would be nice to receive another mail from Suunto saying ‘because of customer feedback we…etc.etc’
              but nothing.

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                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Navigator
                last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 15:41

                @Navigator its an example of speech friend.
                So you would suggest Suunto to follow up with no content to share?

                Community Manager / Admin @Suunto
                Creator of Quantified-Self.io
                youtube.com/c/dimitrioskanellopoulos
                https://instagram.com/dimitrioskanellopoulos
                https://www.strava.com/athletes/7586105

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                  Droro @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                  last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 15:45

                  @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I think he meant 6 weeks is enough time to make a principled decision, but I’m not him.

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                    Navigator Bronze Member @Droro
                    last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 15:46

                    @Droro said in Important news concerning our digital services:

                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I think he meant 6 weeks is enough time to make a principled decision, but I’m not him.

                    Spot on

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                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                      last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos 25 Feb 2019, 15:53

                      Let me tell you something. It took me 4 weeks to collect every little word that was said here, from proposals (opensource Movescount). I am not including Support contacts or other groups/forums.

                      This is not an easy task if it needs to be properly. But well I guess you expect me to say:

                      “You are right 6 weeks is enough time”

                      I could just have go on and just say: Yeah users are “angry/displeased”.

                      But I dont do small work. I dont work for the bakery next door.

                      You wanted to be heard. You put effort. Take a look on how many threads discussions and ideas spawned here. I could go on and lock the thread stating that the feedback is enough and pass the ball to Suunto.
                      I didn’t;
                      I read carefully everything that was said here. I created multiple reports. I VALUED some superb feedback and proposals here (Open source MC, connect offline sw). I met great minds and I wanted to make sure it’s all 100% on paper.

                      Community Manager / Admin @Suunto
                      Creator of Quantified-Self.io
                      youtube.com/c/dimitrioskanellopoulos
                      https://instagram.com/dimitrioskanellopoulos
                      https://www.strava.com/athletes/7586105

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                        Droro @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                        last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 15:55

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I personally think you are doing an awesome job, and also I had good experience with suunto customer service. But I think they shouldn’t sell ambits on their site after the announcement.

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                          tiftif @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                          last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 15:58

                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I was not expecting a full detailed response, with a fully detailed software… but just a principle response, saying they had heard us and
                          Either that they will try to do everything they can to take our concern into account
                          Or that they would carry as announced and that we could go elsewhere if we didn’t like it.
                          I don’t know, something… anything…

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                            tiftif @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                            last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 15:59

                            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos thanks for this explanation ! 🙂

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                              Navigator Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                              last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 16:14

                              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I think you are doing a brilliant job under very difficult circumstances and by no means was this a ‘dig’ at you.
                              The thing that concerns me is that this whole debacle is going to weaken the Suunto brand with people going elsewhere for their premium sport watch products and in a few years time there will be no Suunto to set the benchmark.
                              I’ve never got involved with ‘social media’ or ‘forums’ before so you can guess how strongly I feel about this, together with a few other new ‘members’ I guess.

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                                amiteo Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 16:55

                                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I certainly appreciate your input into this process and at least providing extra avenues to Suunto CS.

                                @Navigator I also see your point and agree that it would be nice for Suunto to do/say something. However, it does take time to figure out what they can do and by when. If I was in their shoes, the one thing I would want to avoid now is broken promises, so care is needed. If you want a “we have heard your concern and are trying to work to produce an outcome that satisfies all our users” type response, then you can get that easily by submitting a question to customer services. If you want more, then we can hope for a road-map, but as mentioned Suunto need to be sure they can deliver that road-map. It is not a easy situation to get right.

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                                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                                  last edited by 25 Feb 2019, 17:19

                                  @Navigator you and one other user said this.

                                  I’ve never got involved with ‘social media’ or ‘forums’ before so you can guess how strongly I feel about this, together with a few other new ‘members’ I guess.

                                  I completely understand you.

                                  Also I would like to add that I do like and prefer anonymity on the responses that perhaps the forum offers, rather than social media were someone might not be able to take his “anger” out.

                                  Community Manager / Admin @Suunto
                                  Creator of Quantified-Self.io
                                  youtube.com/c/dimitrioskanellopoulos
                                  https://instagram.com/dimitrioskanellopoulos
                                  https://www.strava.com/athletes/7586105

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                                    Rob Campbell @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                    last edited by 26 Feb 2019, 18:13

                                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
                                    " You can use any service to get a GPX file sent directly to the Suunto app."

                                    I have the suunto 9 baro and can see no way of uploading an external gpx file to use as a route for navigating with the watch? Please explain how to do this, there is no help given in the user manual.

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                                      stromdiddily Gold Members @Rob Campbell
                                      last edited by 26 Feb 2019, 18:44

                                      @Rob-Campbell forum search is your friend 🙂

                                      If you’re running Android, this will get you started

                                      https://forum.suunto.com/topic/1459/gpx-import-into-sa-how-to-guide-android/42

                                      Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                                      User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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                                        Rob Campbell @stromdiddily
                                        last edited by 26 Feb 2019, 18:52

                                        @stromdiddily

                                        Thank you, I got that to work now no problem.

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                                          TopographicTim Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                          last edited by TopographicTim 26 Feb 2019, 21:45

                                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos That’s fine if you live in an area where a phone works. I don’t have a smartphone. it would be as useful to me as a tricycle to a whale. I’m not getting at you personally but it would seem that the Suunto product I just bought from the Suunto webshop will not have it’s full advertised feature set for the whole of it’s warranty period. I wasn’t made aware of this at the time of purchase!

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