Suunto 7

jthomi

I do believe this whole Wear OS thing works like a charm, with those shiny maps and all. But using Google is a big deal breaker for me. I just don’t want to share my data with them. And I hope the successor of Suunto9 won’t have those features.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Storz the chart is a non compressed full scale chart but not so good. If you dont have many variations that is

Mff73

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
Do you still have Locus Map on your Android? May you eventually try this app with S7?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asamm.locus.addon.wear

Tracking+HR+maps seem to be done one the phone, watch is only user interaction with app.
As almost all maps can be managed in locusmap, it could be something to be considered.
In this case, S7 won’t be used for anything else than extra phone screen, but, for my case, I almost always have phone with me.

jthomi

Could one use the Suunto7 without a google account?

@jthomi I don’t think so. You can sort of disable Fit on the watch (can’t be uninstalled, only updates can, but you can remove permissions thus hosing it) and uninstall on the phone. But for the watch setup and apps you still need Google account and services.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@jthomi you can I think but many things will be dumbed down. The suunto things work without a google account afail. You could create though a “fake” one

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Mff73 I have tried komoot and other apps like ghostracer that can connect to pods HR etc and all work fine.

Also today I found the heatmaps vs komoot (I use komoot) much better as I could see where people go in the wild.

Honestly I use both watches when I am in unknown territory from now on. S9 for the data etc and s7 for all the mapping + data + testing

jthomi

Did you tried this? You have a device on hand?

@NickK said in Suunto 7:

@jthomi I don’t think so. You can sort of disable Fit on the watch (can’t be uninstalled, only updates can, but you can remove permissions thus hosing it) and uninstall on the phone. But for the watch setup and apps you still need Google account and services.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@jthomi google fit is not working until you login with your google account (or an email coupled with a google account)

I dont use Google FIT and have deleted my data from there FYI

@jthomi I have another Wear OS device that would work exactly the same way as S7. When you setup your watch, you need to update and start Google Fit on the watch, then give permissions to Fit to access sensors and collect data. Otherwise, it’s not working.

That being said, Google account is required for Wear OS, so you may avoid sending your heart rate and workouts to Google, but they would still very much know where and what you are up to.

You can skip copying the account data to the watch during setup (maybe, haven’t tried it) but then it means you won’t get any app updates for preinstalled apps, won’t be able to download new apps, calendar would be missing, and app notifications might be limited. So, your S7 becomes kind of S9 without bulk of sports features and with two days battery life.

Fenr1r

@NickK said in Suunto 7:

you may avoid sending your heart rate and workouts to Google, but they would still very much know where and what you are up to

Wry joke? Simple statement of fact? Both?

@Fenr1r Both I’m afraid. Given they track your location even when location services are explicitly disabled, I’d say fighting El Goog (and Apple by the same token) is kind of pointless. This battle has been lost. Besides, here in the US carriers are busy keeping track of your location by triangulating your phone’s signal and selling this data to anybody who asks. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of those is Google. Perhaps they even have a nice and friendly data sharing agreement of you scratch my back, I scratch yours variety.

fejker

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 7:

@Mff73 I have tried komoot and other apps like ghostracer that can connect to pods HR etc and all work fine.

Also today I found the heatmaps vs komoot (I use komoot) much better as I could see where people go in the wild.

Honestly I use both watches when I am in unknown territory from now on. S9 for the data etc and s7 for all the mapping + data + testing

Would be interesting to see how long the watch lasts battery wise in those apps. AFAIK the Suunto WearOS app shuts down almost all of the smart watch functionality and only leaves the bare minimum running to collect data and save battery, I wonder how other WearOS apps do it or are they battery hogs.
And on this topic, does anybody know if the S7 displays notifications as the Spartan and S-line of watches does when it is running in “sport mode”?

Two or four years and these watches will actually be good for serious all day tracking and training. Right now they look more like expensive jewellery that needs an extra battery pack to get you through the day with training.

Fenr1r

@NickK They may know where I am but I’ll die before I let them use my health data against me. And since they’re undoubtedly reading this, they know I’m in the pub and serious.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 7:

I dont use Google FIT and have deleted my data from there FYI

Why? I personally find latest Fit to be quite nice. Nowhere as busy and cluttered as Health on iOS. Until Suunto has a legit sleep tracking and its activity tracking matches what’s available in Fit, I think for Android phones Fit is a very good repository of your activity tracking data. Well, Google snooping aside.

@Fenr1r If you are living in the US I’d be more worried about health insurance companies. Not only they have vastly more info on you and of much higher quality, but they have been mining and selling it like there’s no tomorrow for a while now.

I’d say bring it on! I take vitamin D daily and change my contacts biweekly. Let Google data wizs chew on that.

Sometimes not having a signal is much stronger signal than random noise we otherwise invariably generate.

pilleus

@NickK said in Suunto 7:

You can sort of disable Fit on the watch (can’t be uninstalled

On a Wear OS watch you can uninstall all apps you want. Just use ADB and command line.

@pilleus You are right of course, I missed the page about dropping into terminal and kicking off ADB from Suunto manual Touche.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@fejker I think if an app how not implemented “low power processor” or the correct term: “decompose” it won’t help to go up to more than ~5h.

The 3100 chip need a decompose (see decomposing watchfaces) that can do that.

AFAIK this is low level programming when it comes to custom implementations eg sports, mapping etc.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@NickK not something specific but I stopped tracking HR etc. Its no use to me even from the best trackers for this fitness metric. I feel better without it