The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes

Tomas5 · 23 May 2021, 15:34

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos well it is clearly a bug. When you select custom mode to best. Next time it switch you to performance. This can be accepted because it is same. But when you change custom to good. Next time it switch you to endurance. But endurance means no whr but custom gps good means that you can have whr enabled.

Next problem is that when i choose performance mode or endurance mode i can switch between them by upper right button. When i switch to custom with gps good i can switch between custom (blue), performance (green), endurance (orange) but next time i want do this excercise i am switched to endurance and i can no logner switch by upper right button to custom mode (blue) i need to go to setting again.

It should switch to performance every next time and allow to change by upper right button between green,orange,blue. Or it should save and next time stay on prefered setting meaning if i choose performance next time it will be performance, if i choose endurance next time it sill be endurance, if i choose custom (best,good,ok) i should next time stay with my preference.

But keep it fair, it is not painful bug, at least to me. I need to change to custom very rarely.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 23 May 2021, 17:24

I won’t argue. But unfortunately I cannot push anymore for this one. My bug report got denied.

The reason I am saying this and taking the time to post here , is not to convince you it’s not a bug but rather to indirectly (and now directly) perhaps bother support with this.

I am not pleased with Suuntos take on this bug tbh.

Tomas5 · 23 May 2021, 18:15

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos yeah, i know you do your best. Thanks for feedback.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos I appreciate your effort. Thank you. I’m simply puzzled why it’s so low priority and I get it that it probably won’t be fixed

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 23 May 2021, 18:35

@łukasz-szmigiel to be honest and without really knowing , maybe it’s going to be completely reworked or attached to a more bigger task.

I thought there was at least a workaround for this but I might be wrong.

Anyways. Additionally I would say ping me back here in eta 3 weeks after the product + fw is launched to push them again

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

FYI: This is even more buggy than I initially thought. I just realized it as I was too lazy to change it to either Custom or Performance so I left it on broken post-custom Endurance. However when looking at path it seemed strange to me that the points plotted on the map are more like in 1 min fix instead of 2 min fix. So I’ve downloaded GPX from QS and it’s indeed 1 min fix.

It seems that S5 doesn’t switch to Endurance from Custom. It seems so from the UI but judging from the GPX - the track is actually saved in 1 min intervals, so:

There’s no OHR because the watch enforces Endurance and the UI changes to orange.

But the GPS mode is as defined in custom (Good = 1 min).

So what results is some kind of weird amalgamation Not a custom sports mode and not a default Endurance either.

Steps to reproduce:

Go to any outdoor mode
Go to battery modes, set custom
Set OHR on, set GPS good
Confirm custom
Notice start screen turns blue
Either exit start screen or start the activity (doesn’t matter, it’ll work this time)
Go to the same activity
Notice the UI changes color to orange, indicating the watch defaults to Endurance
Start the activity and record ~15 min or more
Check GPX for timestamps - after initial few minutes of 1 sec it defaults to 1 min.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I know what you said before about this issue, so no additional pressure - just reporting my additional finding as it seems really buggy now.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 3 Jun 2021, 11:52

@łukasz-szmigiel said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

Go to any outdoor mode

Go to any outdoor mode that will be bonkers afterwards

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 3 Jun 2021, 11:54

@łukasz-szmigiel I am a bit confused. Why would it not use 1min GPS ?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 3 Jun 2021, 11:58

Btw I have a workarround. In order to remove the custom dbug, you can set the custom to be performance (change the settings as so) and then use it. It will be green the next time.

Maybe the same happened with you @Łukasz-Szmigiel but instead of making the custom performance you made it endurance ?

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

@łukasz-szmigiel said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

Go to any outdoor mode

Go to any outdoor mode that will be bonkers afterwards

Well running, walking, you get the idea

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

@łukasz-szmigiel I am a bit confused. Why would it not use 1min GPS ?

It should use 1min GPS as defined in Custom battery mode. However - the GUI indicates that the watch is in Endurance, which is 2min GPS. Also, OHR is off despite being on in custom.

So: UI is Endurance. OHR is Endurance. GPS is Custom.

To sum it up.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

Btw I have a workarround. In order to remove the custom dbug, you can set the custom to be performance (change the settings as so) and then use it. It will be green the next time.

Maybe the same happened with you @Łukasz-Szmigiel but instead of making the custom performance you made it endurance ?

I know that you need to set the custom mode to equal performance in order to reset the bug.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 3 Jun 2021, 12:53

@łukasz-szmigiel isn’t endurance 1min ?

Egika · 3 Jun 2021, 13:14

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos yes, endurance is 1min, Ultra 2min

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

@egika, @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos, seriously? Is endurance in S5 1 min fix?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 3 Jun 2021, 18:10

@łukasz-szmigiel I think so. (if you want me I can ask the others)

At least for s9 endurance is 1 min and ultra 5min. But I don’t use those modes personally.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos so it may be that I’m dumb as a rock. I don’t know how but I was quite sure it’s 2 min in S5 so I was fighting with custom mode for my casual walks when I need just an estimation and there’s no need to drain the battery with 1s.

But still ohr would be handy for better calories estimation as without ohr it’s significantly lower and it seems that one can’t force ohr with endurance if it’s not custom.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 3 Jun 2021, 19:21

@łukasz-szmigiel I get it and many at suunto. We will be changing the settings system. Takes a while though so don’t expect a change soon.

Egika · 6 Mar 2021, 19:50

@łukasz-szmigiel said in The logic behind default GPS mode settings in different sports modes:

@egika, @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos, seriously? Is endurance in S5 1 min fix?

Sorry, got mislead by the word endurance. this thraad is about S5.
It has no Endurance or Ultra. Just Best and Good.
Best is 1s, good is 1min.

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

@egika isn’t it called performance (green) and endurance (orange)?

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.40.44

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos errrr it just came to my attention that S5 does switch to 1s fix on navigation screen when on “good”. It even allows to load POI or route. I don’t think it used to be like this on previous firmware - I think that all navigation features were missing on S5 when not using performance. Is it something introduced in recent firmware or am I a potato?