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Software update 2.13.18 for S series (S3,S5,S9)

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    isazi Moderator @surfboomerang
    last edited by 18 Dec 2020, 08:28

    @surfboomerang what happened to me was that before the update altitude was +2, after the update it was -5. Since then it had no sudden drops/ups anymore outside activity. But this week has seen wild pressure changes in NL.

    P.S. I am still not sure at which altitude my home is, is there a proper way to check this 🙂

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    Blog: isazi's home

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      Radu Negoescu @isazi
      last edited by 18 Dec 2020, 08:44

      @isazi Have you considered checking the information on Google Maps for your specific location? Altitude should also be given when you enable “Terrain view” and then enable “view elevation”
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        Łukasz Szmigiel @isazi
        last edited by 18 Dec 2020, 08:49

        @isazi shouldn’t a phone capable of multi GNSS and an app displaying GPS data be enough?

        S9PP 2.40.44

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          isazi Moderator
          last edited by 18 Dec 2020, 08:53

          @Radu-Negoescu @Łukasz-Szmigiel I was just very lazy until today, living in flatland, but now according to this website I am something like -1 below sea level.

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          Blog: isazi's home

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            surfboomerang @isazi
            last edited by 18 Dec 2020, 09:13

            @isazi https://www.ahn.nl/ahn-viewer
            Try this

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              surfboomerang @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
              last edited by 18 Dec 2020, 09:19

              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Tnx, I will keep an eye on it…

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                Brad_Olwin Moderator @stromdiddily
                last edited by 18 Dec 2020, 14:19

                @stromdiddily said in Software update 2.13.18 for S series (S3,S5,S9):

                @surfboomerang I’m down 100ft at my house in the day since the update…

                Is it raining extremely hard?

                Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                  stromdiddily Gold Members @Brad_Olwin
                  last edited by 18 Dec 2020, 16:44

                  @Brad_Olwin yeah weather has been pretty crazy last few days. BUT I haven’t moved around much so would have expected to see those changes come through on the baro side. Or is there a limit?

                  Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

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                    Atlen @Radu Negoescu
                    last edited by 18 Dec 2020, 17:51

                    @Radu-Negoescu it seems like elevation can be shown on very limited areas. I cannot find none of elevation numbers on google map 200 km around my living place.

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                      lexterm77 Bronze Member
                      last edited by 19 Dec 2020, 01:43

                      I used beidou with gps on trail run today and it looks worse than on gps only. I am switching back to gps only. I am happy with it (gps only) as it now looks indistinguishable from my A3P tracks. 👌

                      I had few seconds power drop to zero on Stryd wind device on one of my non stop run activities this summer and contacted Stryd Support, they quickly replied to me that is a known Suunto9b problem of dropping connections. I forgot to mention that here on forums as beer and bourbon mixed with some curated playlists of Coltain&Miles and news put on mute with caption seemed to be more interesting thing to be occupied with than ranting on forums about power drop on a power meter loosely attached to the laces of my left shoe. Fortunately, this problem seems to have gone away by itself. 😄

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                        Brad_Olwin Moderator @stromdiddily
                        last edited by 19 Dec 2020, 03:58

                        @stromdiddily Don’t know but when we have major fronts come through my elevation can change by 50-100m. As soon as I exercise FusedTrack fixes it. I don’t worry too much about it. I know my house is not sinking.

                        Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                          surfboomerang @Brad_Olwin
                          last edited by 19 Dec 2020, 05:23

                          @Brad_Olwin Totally right. I noticed that too on drastic weather changes.
                          But to me it doesn’t make sense that the watch interprets pressure change as altitude change while it is in standby/sleep mode. It knows it isn’t moving, because the display turns off.

                          Once you keep moving it, I imagine it can be harder to distinguish pressure change is due to weather change or altitude change.

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                            Brad_Olwin Moderator @surfboomerang
                            last edited by 19 Dec 2020, 13:13

                            @surfboomerang The interesting thing for me is almost all of my storm alerts come while I am exercising. When I go back and check with a mountain weather station, I find the watch was correct, there was a huge drop in pressure that was fast. Our weather is complicated, I am at 1550m and a few km from me is a wall that varies from 3900 to 4300m. We have complicated weather patterns and wind and the weather can change over the period of a day or a couple hours. The other issue is work for me is 1700m and traveling back and forth is more problematic for elevations not being correct in the two places.

                            Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                              stromdiddily Gold Members @Brad_Olwin
                              last edited by 19 Dec 2020, 22:44

                              @Brad_Olwin issue isn’t so much w the home location but I do rely on the watch face altitude when out backpacking. Useful in making sure I’m on the right/same level as camp…

                              Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                              User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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                                Brad_Olwin Moderator @stromdiddily
                                last edited by 20 Dec 2020, 14:51

                                @stromdiddily The work around for this is just use the auto-calibrate feature when you are at a camp. This always restores my altitude values.

                                Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                  lexterm77 Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
                                  last edited by 20 Dec 2020, 14:57

                                  @Brad_Olwin

                                  Do you need to take watch off wrist for auto calibration?

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                                    Brad_Olwin Moderator @lexterm77
                                    last edited by 20 Dec 2020, 14:57

                                    @lexterm77 No, but I think it may be faster if it is off.

                                    Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                      isazi Moderator @lexterm77
                                      last edited by isazi 20 Dec 2020, 16:22

                                      @lexterm77 I also tried GPS only today, but I have got a worse track than yesterday with Beidou. Will try few more times.

                                      One interesting thing I noticed though, is that it seems (in a totally non scientific way) that I get better Fusedalti without Beidou. I will also check if this is the case in the next few days.

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                                      Blog: isazi's home

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                                        lexterm77 Bronze Member @isazi
                                        last edited by 20 Dec 2020, 17:52

                                        @isazi

                                        With Beidou my tracks are 5 meter apart, with GPS only they are half a meter apart.

                                        One is GPS only around parking lot, it is spot on, couldn’t draw better myself.

                                        Other one is trail run with beidou, single track trail is visible on sat image but tracks are like 15 meters apart.

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                                          Łukasz Szmigiel
                                          last edited by 16 Jan 2021, 11:30

                                          My observations with current firmware (S5) as compared to older versions:

                                          • GPS only is universally good except in deep forests or urban canyons. It’s as good as previously with Beidou.
                                          • Beidou makes my tracks more “wobbly” and in my experience is the least useful system with current firmware.
                                          • Glonass is ok but I don’t find it more useful in general everyday trainings (it’s superb in mountains though).
                                          • Galileo - if there are enough sats available - is a monster. It struggles near dense and high buildings but in every other area it’s perfect for most of the times. I can’t think of a better track precision in a running watch.

                                          Also, “offset locks” happen way less often than before. It used to be a norm when changing direction (ie. 90 deg) for the track to be locked on a constant offset by 10 - 20 meters. Now it happens rarely.

                                          It may be placebo (as everything written above ;-)) but I feel that my tempo doesn’t drop as dramatically when entering wooded area. It used to drop from 6/min to 7/min only because I’ve entered the park from river embankment.

                                          I also get an instant fix almost always.

                                          It really is amazing.

                                          S9PP 2.40.44

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