Suunto 9 Peak (review and specs)

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Since you are appearing to be using the S9P as your daily driver, I have a few questions if I may:

How does adaptive backlight works under DND? Currently S9B dims the screen during DND, is this preserved or the screen will be made dim regardless of DND if it’s dark and adaptive mode is used?
What about sounds (beeping) during notifications? Anything done there? With S9B there’s no way to disable sound for notifications only. So, either you hear a beep every time a notification comes, or use DND that defies the purpose (and makes the screen dim in the process), or disable all sounds, which also carries over to activities
I’m still seeing zombie notifications on 2.14.16 and the only way to cure it appears to be restarting the watch that resets Body Resources to 50%, which reminds me…
Any improvements to Body Resources sometimes funky behavior? On 2.14.16 firmware, I had it drop from 91% to below 50% in two hours the watch was on the charger. Not cool. The other day Resources were about 20%, I went for 50 minutes weight lifting, and the value jumped to 45% Who knew some flies, curls, and cleans can supercharge you?
Last but not least, are we getting S9B sleep tracking (awake/light/deep) or S7 more advanced phase analysis (awake/light/deep/REM)?

As always, thanks a lot for any insights.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nickk I have been using the s9p as my main watch for quite a few months. Since then I didn’t have any real issues with the device tbh.

The DND shuts the standby adoptive backlight off. The adaptive standby backlight means that if the sun is shinning there is no backlight. When you wake the watch up, your current backlight setting is applied. Remember in Suuntos word there is backlight (like the normal lighting) and standby light (the very small light to just make it show the time during the night).
There is no progress in SW there. Same stuff. That said I do know that the s9p “supports” more customizable vibras. Not in SW yet.
Each time the watch goes on charger it resets the resources and pauses the recovery time. I am not sure why this is like so. Lets open the discussion. There are some issues with resources also tracked here and those are delegated to FB.
IDk that. Suunto has a custom sleep tracking (in house) so I have literally no clue.

What helps is like with the S7 , Suunto listens to the demands of the consumers at launch and should pay attention to the “sentiment” demand. Good or bad? IDk. Logical sure imo.

S9P is a branch off the S9/S5/S3 line. New HW and new SW to cover the new HW. The rest move in Sync.

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos

Gotcha.

Resources behavior with respect to charging/rebooting effectively means one should charge when Resources hit around 50%. Otherwise any OCD types like me gawking over data will be losing data points I think Garmin resets to 45% on reboot and guesstimates a discharge when it’s off your wrist based on I don’t know what… But it’s not as steep as what I’m seeing on S9B.

Would be nice if notification alerts could be made vibration-only, or sounds could be turned off for everything but activities.

Should I create a topic for that and let people vote? I think we already have “future firmware” discussion.

Suunto has a custom sleep tracking (in house) so I have literally no clue.

So, you don’t sleep with S9P? And if you do, does it give you REM or just deep sleep? That’s basically a difference between S9 and S7. I thought sleep analysis was at least partially FB algos, no?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nickk I sleep all the time with the s9P. That’s why I have DND.

It shows exactly the same data s9b shows.

So no rem unfortunately. Only time awake and deep sleep.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nickk let’s see how we can facilitate that.

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak (review and specs):

So no rem unfortunately. Only time awake and deep sleep.

That’s quite alright. Now we know Peak takes off after its bigger brother. So, it is indeed Suunto 9 first, and Peak second.

I’m fine without REM given all existing watches’ sleep phase analysis is deeply flawed, no pun intended. Was just wondering…

wakarimasen

I’d be interested to hear how people ‘approach’ going to sleep, with sleep tracking in mind (I know it sounds like a really odd question). At the moment, my s9B seems to think I start sleeping between an hour and 90 minutes after I turn out the light, which I know to be incorrect. I’d worked out a way to get some reasonable results from my SSSWHR Baro, but using the same method doesn’t seem to be working here.

By the way: I know the results are not exact, and I’m comfortable with that. If I can get into a routine that would make them a little more accurate, I’d just be a little happier

JorgeFD

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos only one alarm still present in peak or newest firmware?

@wakarimasen Sadly, start of sleep being cutoff or extended into normal hours because you were reading, watching something, etc. is a sad fact of life. Other platforms, like Polar for example (you should know that based on previous ownership history ), have exact same problem.

My only three life hacks…

Make your sleep period as close to the real one as possible, i.e. if you actually fall asleep around 23:00, set your sleep start at 22:45, not 22:30 or 22:00…

Try to move around a bit before calling it a day, you know brush your teeth last kind of thing… so any previous quiet period isn’t interpreted as the beginning of sleep and there’s a distinct change in activity levels.

Maybe change on which hand you wear the watch for the night?

@jorgefd78 From the videos I’ve seen, the interface looks exactly like S9/5/3, so I’d guess yes, one alarm and one timer.

wakarimasen

@nickk My experience with Polar watches has been really good - the Vantage V was pretty much spot-on all the time.
It’s not the most important thing for me though, and indeed is only really some form of an estimation in the end.
I’ll try your suggestions, and see if I can find a way. Thanks!

@nickk My experience with Polar watches has been really good

Funny enough, S9B is mostly spot on while all Polar products with Sleep+ and then Sleep+ Stages were off for me. Every 2-3 nights the watch would miss either the sleep start, end, or both. Sometimes by an hour and more making the whole Night Recharge that relies on specific 4-hour window kind of moot.

Since then I switched back to HRV4T and I’m a happy camper.

wakarimasen

@nickk Just goes to show that all of these things - heart rate, sleep tracking - can be kind of personal in the way they work.

What do you mean by HRV4T? (OK - Google comes to the rescue!)

@wakarimasen

http://www.hrv4t.com

Brad_Olwin

@nickk I switch watches fairly often during the day and have found that resources generally agree between them, it may take an hour or so for the watch to stabilize but my S9 Peak and S7 as well as S9baro will fairly closely match resources even if I was wearing one for an entire week (S9 Peak) the S7 after an hour of wear will be similar. So, no real worries about missing data or issues following updates.

@brad_olwin Wait, what are you saying? That I can go from one watch to another and within an hour or two the second watch will pick up the Resources as reported on the first? I.e. if I’m walking around in S7 and it shows 63% and then I switch to S9, the latter will be reporting 55-60% soon?

Because that would be awesome. In Garmin world, body battery aka Resources isn’t synced still, unlike other stuff. So, switching from one watch to another will blindly reset the value to 45% regardless of what it was.

And with S9, I’m seeing random jumps in values, both down and up, as well as this unfortunate drop that occurs when the watch is being charged as confirmed by @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos. But luckily I don’t have to charge S9 every day and funky moves happen every now and then, not a daily occurrence.

Brad_Olwin

@nickk It seems to be fairly reliable for me. I know the Resources is likely read from HRV and that readings are taken about every 30 min. I keep close tabs on this just to see how it is doing. Most of the time the watches agree, not always but mostly. Even if I did not run with the particular watch! Today I ran with 3, Peak, baro and S7, the Peak is 41%, S7 at 33% (Peak has been on the table for an hour). I’ll put the Peak back on and see what happens. The Peak got an update today and the S7 did not, I did not sleep with the S7 last night.

pavel.samokha

@jthomi

Spartan Sport without WHR is also quite thin watch.

@brad_olwin So, how do you synchronize multiple watches with the Suunto app? Forget one device and add another, or have multiple phones and let cloud do its magic?