Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?

nikshot

@mff73It strikes me that when I go online, only then the phone updates the card and the buttons for transferring back to the clock appear - it is visible from the photos I have shown.

Mff73

@nikshot
can’t help you more
maybe wait for some iOS experts to confirm if internet is mandatory to connect to watch and help.

David Young

@nikshot I would strongly recommend that you get on the phone to Suunto or contact them by Chat. They’re quick to respond and should be able to help.

@mff73 I think is one of the differences between Android and iOS version of Suunto app. I have iOS and just like @nikshot I don’t have the option the save a route from an activity, when phone has no internet connectivity.

Brad_Olwin

@nikshot I just checked this with no internet connection I can click the button @sartoric had in the image and upload to the watch. Moreover, I can import a GPX file from a list on the phone and import into SA and import into the watch, with no cellular and no wifi. You cannot draw a route without internet.

Are you on the beta for iOS?

Fenr1r

@brad_olwin You’re right on that score but the OP’s aim was to turn a just-generated activity track on the watch into a useable route without internet access. To get the same result as the Logbook entry -> navigable Route on the Ambits (watch-only).

On my iOS (latest Beta), and @andrasveres’, that won’t work. In my case, even with a happy BT connection to a Spartan, there are no Three Dots (for more functions) in the activity record … without internet. There’s no share icon, either: pretty much as @nikshot illustrated.

We can’t export a GPX in iOS without a data connection because the SuuntoFormatActivity -> GPX requires more oomph than many phones have, apparently. Perhaps the same thing applies to extracting a SuuntoFormatRoute from a SuuntoFormatActivity and xferring the result to the watch under iOS?

Brad_Olwin

@fenr1r That is a very specific case. There is find back to retrace the route on the watch, which should suffice. and if @nikshot knows the route ahead of time or alternates they can be loaded and used. I see this as less of an issue.

nikshot

@brad_olwinFor me this is a very serious drawback and again I say it makes no sense the whole concept of a watch whose main function is to be GPS navigation !!! Imagine three days moving in the high mountains in an absolutely unknown and wild place, without marked trails, without internet connection. Every day you make a track in the clock with the idea to go back the same way! On the fourth day you go back, but you don’t have internet, electricity in the phone, the phone broke, you lost your phone, the rain got it wet and it blocked … And what if I have a watch (depending on the phone in question) with GPS navigation, with a battery of up to 170 hours, a watch that is so strong and protected that it will work even after an atomic bomb ??? What exactly will it do for me in this situation - maybe to measure my heart rate (if I could and blood pressure: D) to find out how angry I am with the ridiculous situation …

Prenj

Find back is nice to have, but what if watch crashes during the activity?

nikshot

@prenjMaybe I will have to use the phone again

sartoric

@nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

but you don’t have internet, electricity in the phone, the phone broke,

you can also lose the watch, the watch drains the battery , or it brokes, or it explodes … or …

What exactly will it do for me in this situation

What should you do, maybe, Use a map ?

nikshot

@sartoricYears ago I bought Suunto Ambit 2 Sapphire, he doesn’t have this problem! If the clock draws the route, you can use it immediately, without the need for a phone and whatever else you can think of. With this watch I went around all the mountains in Bulgaria without anyone’s help - Pirin, Rila, Stara Planina … I just put the watch on and left and if something went wrong, the watch would bring me back. So I became a very big fan of Suunto. The Suunto watch became mine favorite toy. A few months ago I bought Suunto 9 Baro Titanium in the hope of having an even more powerful, safe and modern tool for my adventurous adventures, but at the moment I am very disappointed if Suunto Brand does not correct this omission (to be able to use the created tracks). from the watch without being dependent on a phone) will lose me from their community and maybe I won’t be the only one.
And maybe you didn’t get the sarcasm - that everyone “if” means how absurd it is for Suunto to be dependent on a phone in situations where the phone itself is useless

sartoric

@nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

And maybe you didn’t get the sarcasm - that everyone “if” means how absurd it is for Suunto to be dependent on a phone in situations where the phone itself is useless

maybe you didn’t get my sarcasm too about how absurd it’s for a hiker to rely only on a gps (watch or not) when wandering in unknown places following new and unknown paths

I mean, I get your disappointment, but with android I can download, convert and reload the route without any data coverage.
Afaiu @Brad_Olwin can do it on IOs too
In situation like that, I usually bring a power bank with me, so I can charge both watch, phone, head lamp and battery in general … and a map of course

nikshot

@sartoricYes, I understand, you have just confirmed my conclusion, and that is that in critical situations, the modern Suunto (unlike the old generation CA 2) is useless …
You don’t think I bought Suunto to walk with him on the “Champs-Élysées”: D

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nikshot useless is a bit exaggerated right?

nikshot

@dimitrios-kanellopoulosDon’t get me wrong, I love this watch, but in the specific situations I’m talking about, that’s right.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nikshot its your right to say that. But also A2 could just fail (crash mid activity) and then its worse as it’s not Mobile connected.

That said, I do understand the need of this feature. I dont want to argue.

However, please during critical situation prepare better than just going out with a non connected watch. Else Bear Grills will Grill.

David Young

@prenj Find back gives you the equivalent of a POI at the location you started recording.

From the S9 manual:

If you are using GPS when recording an activity, Suunto 9 automatically saves the starting point of your exercise. With Find back, Suunto 9 can guide you directly back to your starting point.

So for retracing a complex route where the direct line back could put you in a series of dead ends, it’s next to useless.

Do people from Suunto read these comments? If so could one of them kindly explain why they took functionality that was in the older watches (in my case a Traverse) out of the watch and put it in the app?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@david-young you understand that:

You have all the stats of that start poi
You have the route in detail as breadbrumb

Do people from Suunto read these comments? If so could one of them kindly explain why they took functionality that was in the older watches (in my case a Traverse) out of the watch and put it in the app?

There was nothing gotten out of the traverse. It works as it worked right? or did I miss something?

David Young

Thanks for replying.

Yes, you have the stats for the start POI, but where does that get you? We’re assuming we have trekked out of reach of a wifi signal, and can’t use the app to make a new route.
Breadcrumb is NOWHERE explained in the S9 manual. Maybe it’s the solution?

Sorry, I didn’t mean that the Traverse had been impaired by removing the recording feature, I meant that the new expensive watches Suunto want us to buy have been impaired by removing the recording feature, and I’m curious as to why they did it!