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    • Brad_OlwinB Offline
      Brad_Olwin Moderator @Armin S.
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      @Armin-S This is a very tough question. The best way to set HR zones is to get a lactate threshold test done. In most places these are not that expensive. Otherwise you can estimate from your maximum and adjust based on RPE. I frankly do not know how the S5 guesses HR zones as I input mine manually.

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      • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
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        Perhaps I can help here.

        For running this was suggested for me and what I suggest to others

        I5 92-97%
        I4 87-92%
        I3 82-87%
        I2 72-82%
        I1 60-72%

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        • zhang965Z Offline
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          last edited by zhang965

          I had the same question for Suunto’s default HR zones as well, it’s not just 10% 10%, it’s not HRR either.

          I did a lab test to find my VO2max and the doctor told me the Lactate threshold is not been used anymore for 10 years in France, it’s too old fashion and it worth nothing for nowadays, they do a Ventilatory threshold test which can find you a VT1 and VT2 (your lactate threshold is in this zone), it’s the best zone that you can work on.

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            zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

            Perhaps I can help here.

            For running this was suggested for me and what I suggest to others

            I5 92-97%
            I4 87-92%
            I3 82-87%
            I2 72-82%
            I1 60-72%

            Hello DK, it’s the predefined zones in Suunto watches? or it’s just YOUR suggestions?

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            • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
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              @zhang965 my suggestions. I need to find the source 1 sec

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              • zhang965Z Offline
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                last edited by zhang965

                suuntoHR.PNG

                https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/sports/News-Articles-container-page/tutorial-tuesday/how-to-use-suunto-spartans-heart-rate-zones/

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                • zhang965Z Offline
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                  I think the question was, we wanted to know where this definition comes from, it seems it’s different than others references, it most likes only suunto’s definition

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                  • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                    Brad_Olwin Moderator @zhang965
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                    @zhang965 said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                    I had the same question as Suunto’s default HR zones as well, it’s not just 10% 10%, it’s not HRR either.

                    I did a lab test to find my VO2max and the doctor told me the Lactate threshold is not been used anymore for 10 years in France, it’s too old fashion and it worth nothing for nowadays, they do a Ventilatory threshold test which can find you a VT1 and VT2 (your lactate threshold is in this zone), it’s the best zone that you can work on.

                    I disagree with the fact that LT is worth nothing but combining with VO2 max is best. When pyruvate produced by glycolysis cannot be utilized in the TCA cycle lactate accumulates and the pH can drop due to hydrogen ion production. The ability to use lactate and prevent its accumulation will vary depending on the type of muscle fibers where endurance athletes will have a much higher number of slow twitch fibers and sprinters, fast twitch fibers. The lactate threshold will change depending on fitness as well.

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                    • Armin S.A Offline
                      Armin S. @zhang965
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                      @zhang965 said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                      suuntoHR.PNG

                      https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/sports/News-Articles-container-page/tutorial-tuesday/how-to-use-suunto-spartans-heart-rate-zones/

                      Thanks for the link. Exactly this information I was looking for! Very nice that there is this help here in the forum. Thanks again ☺

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                      • zhang965Z Offline
                        zhang965 @Brad_Olwin
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                        @Brad_Olwin said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                        @zhang965 said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                        I had the same question as Suunto’s default HR zones as well, it’s not just 10% 10%, it’s not HRR either.

                        I did a lab test to find my VO2max and the doctor told me the Lactate threshold is not been used anymore for 10 years in France, it’s too old fashion and it worth nothing for nowadays, they do a Ventilatory threshold test which can find you a VT1 and VT2 (your lactate threshold is in this zone), it’s the best zone that you can work on.

                        I disagree with the fact that LT is worth nothing but combining with VO2 max is best. When pyruvate produced by glycolysis cannot be utilized in the TCA cycle lactate accumulates and the pH can drop due to hydrogen ion production. The ability to use lactate and prevent its accumulation will vary depending on the type of muscle fibers where endurance athletes will have a much higher number of slow twitch fibers and sprinters, fast twitch fibers. The lactate threshold will change depending on fitness as well.

                        OK, then do a lactate threshold test

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                          zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                          @zhang965 my suggestions. I need to find the source 1 sec

                          I show you an example from euh… GARMIN!

                          It’s funny because… this piece of information only can be found in Garmin TW/HK, it quite closes to suunto’s proposal.

                          s2-0.jpg
                          s2-0.jpg

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                            zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                            @zhang965 my suggestions. I need to find the source 1 sec

                            it’s…33 minutes ago1sec.PNG

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                            • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
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                              @zhang965 lol yeah.

                              My coach :

                              They relate to how humans produce lactate at different intensity and are a general guideline until you have a dedicated lactate threshold test and vo2max test to guide you. The irony is that after you have those test 99% of athletes still fall into the zones I have you. Just with small variations of course.

                              To fully understand the concept you’d have to analyze how different elite athletes perform. Most top athletes ; with almost no exemption, clock in their individual lactate threshold at 91-95% of max hr.

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                              • sartoricS Offline
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                                Out of curiosity, who is using real HRmax (lab tested) and who is using “calculated” one ?
                                For those who use calculated, are you using Cooper’s algorithm or something more “recent” like Tanaka and maybe Karvonen to retrieve HR for specific percentage ?

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                                  @sartoric I have lab tested when getting also LTHR. Karvonen would have sent my HRmax to 168 but I have 193 🙂

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                                  • zhang965Z Offline
                                    zhang965 @sartoric
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                                    @sartoric

                                    I set the lab tested HR on my watch.

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                                      @sartoric said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                                      Out of curiosity, who is using real HRmax (lab tested) and who is using “calculated” one ?
                                      For those who use calculated, are you using Cooper’s algorithm or something more “recent” like Tanaka and maybe Karvonen to retrieve HR for specific percentage ?

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                                      • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                                        Brad_Olwin Moderator @sartoric
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                                        @sartoric I have both VO2 max and LT tested to set my zones.

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