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    Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9

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    • MiniForkliftM Offline
      MiniForklift Platinum Member
      last edited by MiniForklift

      I tried out the Polar Grit X Pro for a month before going back to my S9B, main thing was the screen size. The Grit X Pro is actually 4mm larger than the Peak but it still seemed quite small after using my S9B for nearly two years; like you I struggled to read the numbers whilst running and it ended up being the straw that broke the proverbial camels back

      S9B Vs Polar Grit X Pro ❆ REVIEW

      Now back with my trusty gold S9B, happy days 👍

      SV Titanium Solar Forest

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      • suzzloS Offline
        suzzlo Moderator @surfboomerang
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        @surfboomerang

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        • freeheelerF Offline
          freeheeler @suzzlo
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          @suzzlo
          me when Suunto releases S9P XL (or whatever they’ll call it…)

          living sideways

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          • suzzloS Offline
            suzzlo Moderator @freeheeler
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            @freeheeler I’m waiting to have planned workout and structured workouts, then Spartan and Garmin 745 will go directly to the shelve and buy S9P or S9P XL or S5P Baro (let me dream)

            BR

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            • sky-runnerS Offline
              sky-runner Silver Members @Foxster
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              @foxster said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

              Baro for me is not that important as the accuracy of the GPS altitude is fine for my trail running and hiking.

              Accuracy of GPS is fine for the absolute altitude but not for calculating total ascent / descent. Non-baro Suunto watches have a rather large threshold so you’ll see total ascent / descent values noticeably smaller than actual.

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              • DMytroD Offline
                DMytro @sky-runner
                last edited by

                @sky-runner only if you hike small hills. If I go up a mountain with 600-1000 vertical meters, elevation is spot on with map/baro version. Elevation is only no good for hills.

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                • MiniForkliftM Offline
                  MiniForklift Platinum Member @DMytro
                  last edited by MiniForklift

                  @dmytro Agree with this. Roling hills not so good but decent climbs are not far off. Feel like it’s got a bit better over the last update; I used to be way off compared to my training partner who uses a Garmin Enduro, now it’s pretty similar. Happy with this as my S9B always used to massively under report elevation gain

                  I do believe there’s a full fix coming in a future update 👍

                  SV Titanium Solar Forest

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                  • DMytroD Offline
                    DMytro @MiniForklift
                    last edited by

                    @miniforklift I mean the non baro version, but alright 🙂

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                    • MiniForkliftM Offline
                      MiniForklift Platinum Member @DMytro
                      last edited by MiniForklift

                      @dmytro said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

                      @miniforklift I mean the non baro version, but alright 🙂

                      Oh, sorry. Yeah well the same seems to apply for the Baro version too, something Suunto is aware of and working on

                      SV Titanium Solar Forest

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                      • DMytroD Offline
                        DMytro @MiniForklift
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                        @miniforklift I hope there is some research going into non baro algorithms as well, I think a lot can be done with algorithms to compensate for noise from GPS data.

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                        • Soylent YellowS Offline
                          Soylent Yellow Bronze Member @freeheeler
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                          @freeheeler said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

                          @foxster said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

                          Of course, the ideal would be a Peak with a larger display. Hopefully that’s something Suunto is considering

                          ✊ ✊ ✊
                          would be my potential next watch 🤞

                          It will be called “Ambit 4”

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                          • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                            Brad_Olwin Moderator @DMytro
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                            @dmytro I think that the non-baro versions are being improved. I can get very good altitude gains from non-baro watches on big climbs. Eventually, when GPS altitude is more reliable we can do away with the baro sensor for altitude as it has problems too. Running into major head winds with a baro gave me at least 5-fold greater ascent than the actual ascent.

                            Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                            • DMytroD Offline
                              DMytro @Brad_Olwin
                              last edited by

                              @brad_olwin you mean improved in general or in an upcoming releases? Sure, I’m more than satisfied with the performance of my watch, the only problem for now are hill repeats with undercounting and cloudy days on flat terrain with overcounting.

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                              • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                                Brad_Olwin Moderator @DMytro
                                last edited by

                                @dmytro both I hope. I imagine that with antenna and satellite improvements this will happen.

                                Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                • freeheelerF Offline
                                  freeheeler @Brad_Olwin
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                                  @brad_olwin
                                  I would always go for a baro version.
                                  I’ve never had issues with gusts so far… only with my sweaty forearm 😉

                                  living sideways

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                                  • cosme.costaC Offline
                                    cosme.costa @Brad_Olwin
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                                    @brad_olwin I think that if you wear the watch in the left arm won’t be much issues with wind, the sensor is less exposed.

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                                    • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                                      Brad_Olwin Moderator @cosme.costa
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                                      @cosme-costa said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

                                      @brad_olwin I think that if you wear the watch in the left arm won’t be much issues with wind, the sensor is less exposed.

                                      I was wearing on the left arm, an S9baro gave huge overestimates because a very strong wind was blowing directly into the sensor. I have had this happen more than once. It dies not matter how the watch is worn.

                                      So far this has not occurred with the S9Peak.

                                      Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                      • sky-runnerS Offline
                                        sky-runner Silver Members @DMytro
                                        last edited by sky-runner

                                        @dmytro The error is the same with the bug hills - it is just relatively small and therefore not noticeable. Basically, it loses a fixed amount of elevation gain on every single climb no matter how short or long it is. If there is only one large climb the error is relatively tiny compared to the overall elevation gain. However when there are a lot of small climbs, for example when running on rolling hills, the accumulated error may be significant. My estimate is that Suunto 9 Baro loses 3-7 meters (10-20 feet) per climb. The non baro version loses even more.

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                                          TyreseJ4 @suzzlo
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                                          @suzzlo Garmin is light years ahead of there competitors and I suspect they always will be. With that said, it’s likely that you’ll always have a reason to use Garmin. If you’re committed to Suunto (and that’s fine), you should probably stop using competitor devices since Suunto will likely always be behind or missing some feature that you like on a Garmin.

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                                            sky-runner Silver Members @TyreseJ4
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                                            @tyresej4 said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

                                            Garmin is light years ahead of there competitors and I suspect they always will be.

                                            That’s why, I think, Suunto needs to look for niches that Garmin neglects.

                                            For example, two years of owning a Garmin has made it clear to me that Garmin, for the most part doesn’t understand, trail and ultra running. Garmin focuses either on road running, cycling, triathlon, etc or on slower activities like walking and hiking. But trail running has a number of challenges that Garmin deals very poorly with. The same probably applies to sports like MTB. That includes, challenging conditions for GPS reception and very dynamic pace that throws Garmin’s instant pace algorithm off and makes instant pace borderline unusable.

                                            Years ago Suunto Ambit watches were super popular in my area among trail runners. When I was at a start of any serious trail running race I can guarantee that at least third if not half of all competitors would have an Ambit, and there were good reasons for that. Those people, for the most part, didn’t care about fitness features of Garmin, but needed a robust watch with bulletproof reliability and GPS that was accurate on wooded mountainous trails.

                                            That is the niche that I think Suunto has mostly given up despite the fact that trail running is still growing rapidly. If Suunto really focused on trail running and especially mountain/trail adventure/ultra racing, it could shine again.

                                            Just out of my head, features that would matter:

                                            • Beat in class GPS accuracy.

                                            • Tracking aid stations / checkpoints with remaining distance and progress against planned splits. That should also include tracking remaining ascent / descent to the next aid station or checkpoint. For ultra running it is essential to be able to split the entire distance into smaller segments and focus on each one separately.

                                            • Accurate navigation directions. Having a map isn’t as essential as long as there is an easy way to generate/edit directions in advance and upload them to the watch. Suunto already had this for the most part, but a large screen / desktop route editing is needed.

                                            • A function like Climb Pro or Hill Splitter that allows to track progress during climbing / descending

                                            • Tracking timing of hydration and fueling.

                                            Personally, I’d also really like to see a reliable implementation of Strava live segments. This is something that Garmin has implemented very poorly, especially for trail running segments.

                                            The list above is probably just a slice of features that other trail runners would find essential. If Suunto could again position itself as a premier brand for trail / ultra / adventure running and racing, I think that would be great for is future.

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