New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28

[freeheeler]

@tyresej4
maybe I will, maybe even this week, despite hay fever that will set me back.

[DMytro]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos if suunto figures out, how to predict vO2max from walks and/or hikes with a high elevation gain but in an easy terrain, I think it will be first on the market to do so.
Even polar fails to achieve that with their dedicated walking test.

[Brad_Olwin]

@tyresej4 said in New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28:

@brad_olwin For the most part I think your post are EXTREMELY helpful. Other times (especially when there’s honest critique of Suunto), you can be unfair. If I buy a device that cost $499, and it says it has a “feature” that I’m interested in, am I not being fair to expect it to work and make a little bit of sense? One of the first things I noticed with Garmin is that the features work. NOT perfectly, but they work. That’s all I ask is that it does something close to what was advertised. If a company can’t do that I’m ok with that. However the device should be significantly cheaper.

I have a Garmin, and if you like I can go over my likes and dislikes compared to Suunto, PM me if you want to. But, in terms of VO2Max I see the same behavior from Suunto and Garmin. For a marathon runner or shorter distances I think the feature works pretty well. For trail running I simply ignore it.

[isazi]

@tyresej4 I know what you mean, but I cannot really comment on that. Both Garmin and Suunto work for me, giving me the same VO2max, same number I get with a Cooper test. I do not care about the number and would not pay more to have it, but I agree with you that it should work.

[suzzlo]

Hi all,

Yesterday I saw that Ray was presenting “an improved sleep algorithm” for Garmin devices and also, he is mentioning in the video that some time ago (1 year?), they have deliver a new Body Battery algorithm.

My question is? does someone know if this changes are from FirstBeat algos, and if they are going to be also included in Suuntos releases?

I’m just curious

[DMytro]

@suzzlo body battery did receive new algo from firstbeat on Garmin, if it’s on suunto - good question.

As for sleep algo - I think it’s also from firstbeat on Garmin, but it’s in-house on suunto - so I wouldn’t expect an iterative update in this department - maybe suunto will provide additional metrics eventually, if hardware allows that is.

[dulko79]

@suzzlo maybe it is hr sensor related, like effect of sampling rate. Plus licensing could be expensive.

[Brad_Olwin]

@suzzlo said in New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28:

Hi all,

Yesterday I saw that Ray was presenting “an improved sleep algorithm” for Garmin devices and also, he is mentioning in the video that some time ago (1 year?), they have deliver a new Body Battery algorithm.

My question is? does someone know if this changes are from FirstBeat algos, and if they are going to be also included in Suuntos releases?

I’m just curious

I’ve been comparing Garmin and Suunto on these. For me, the sleep is as good or better on Suunto. The Garmin does not always agree with how I feel. I am not sure the sleep as all that helpful on Garmin. Too much information for me.
The Body Battery seems to work better for me than Resources as the latter seems to have a slower recovery. However, they are typically in reasonable agreement.

[ChrisA]

@brad_olwin agree on sleep! For me Garmin’s sleep tracking does not work well and pretty much contradicts its own body battery readings (e.g. I can have 99 or 100 % Body battery on wake-up and feel I had a good night s sleep and Garmin gives me a 58 Sleep score). For me that’s mostly because Garmin misses my deep sleep. But as I have realised here through you and others is, that I rely more on how I feel (both sleeping/relaxing and working out) and only second in what any sportswatch tells me

[suzzlo]

@brad_olwin I see also Resources quite slow compared to Garmin…but which is right? No idea

I’m curious to know if the Suunto updates include also first beat updates (like they are doing with Sony GPS)

BR

[Brad_Olwin]

@suzzlo I do not know how the Firstbeat works with updates. Garmin has updated theirs with Stamina, which has not worked well for me. In the races I have done so far I can go several hours with 0% stamina.
For me Recovery Time is worse than Resources, I feel Resources are not that far off and if I switch between Suunto and Garmin as I said they are not that far off.
Probably depends on how the license is provided.

[freeheeler]

@tyresej4 said in New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28:

with all this discussion and interest in Vo2 max, now might be a time to try it.

I did… 37.66 on the track… the watch shows 41.9

[DMytro]

@freeheeler the watch shows cumulative value, doesn’t it? Could be that you were just tired etc.

[freeheeler]

@dmytro
not sure if I’ve ever ran faster
…but it might have been not ideal after work in the afternoon sun at 28°C as a “snowman”

[Theo Lakerveld]

I’ve posted this in a separate post, but it disapeard somehow. Either way; my S9P automatically starts and stop laps/intervals when swimming in a pool. I really like this feature. When swimming longer intervals (>200m) it’s easy to loose track about how many meters I’ve swum (# of 25’s).
The watch’s high frequency beep is easily to hear under water. So it would be a good idea to let the watch beep at each completed 100m. That means, 1 short beep @ 100m, 2 short beeps @ 200m, etc.
That way one would receive a short reminder of the completed distance in an interval.

[DMytro]

Not sure where else to post it. Went for another hike yesterday, comparing S9, S9B and Fenix 5 vs values from Komoot map. The order is as follows: distance in km, highest point in m, total ascend in m, total descend in m.
S9: 16.58, 1809, 1306, 1159
S9B: 16.89, 1809, 1249, 1125
Fenix: ~ 19, 1573, 1088, 1068
Komoot: ~ 15.5, 1808, 1090, 960

So, it would seem that the Fenix overshoots the distance by a large margin (however maybe it just calculates 3D and not 2D distance or whatever), somehow really drops the ball for the highest point, yet shows the closest elevation gain as to that predicted by the map (while I have to wonder if it’s just a coincidence considering the highest point measured). On the other hand suunto is at least somewhat consistent between the watches and it could very well be that the algo is yet again different, picking up smaller elevation differences.

[juhis70]

Today I ran without HR belt, because I forgot it. Wrist HR is turned off in Running, so there was no HR measurement.

However, my watch (Suunto 5) happily gave me a VO2max estimate. I wonder how it was calculated without any HR info…

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@juhis70 it’s the prev vo2max.

[sartoric]

@juhis70
That’s the estimated value, that one as far as I remember, it’s not the calculated one

[juhis70]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Ok, thanks! I remember that with previous SW I had sometimes runs that did not give me VO2max, if there was a problem with HR belt. But displaying the previous value is ok (I checked that it was the previous value )