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New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28

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    isazi Moderator @TyreseJ4
    last edited by 16 May 2022, 12:50

    @tyresej4 I know what you mean, but I cannot really comment on that. Both Garmin and Suunto work for me, giving me the same VO2max, same number I get with a Cooper test. I do not care about the number and would not pay more to have it, but I agree with you that it should work.

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      suzzlo Moderator
      last edited by 16 May 2022, 13:06

      Hi all,

      Yesterday I saw that Ray was presenting “an improved sleep algorithm” for Garmin devices and also, he is mentioning in the video that some time ago (1 year?), they have deliver a new Body Battery algorithm.

      My question is? does someone know if this changes are from FirstBeat algos, and if they are going to be also included in Suuntos releases?

      I’m just curious

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        DMytro @suzzlo
        last edited by 16 May 2022, 13:27

        @suzzlo body battery did receive new algo from firstbeat on Garmin, if it’s on suunto - good question.

        As for sleep algo - I think it’s also from firstbeat on Garmin, but it’s in-house on suunto - so I wouldn’t expect an iterative update in this department - maybe suunto will provide additional metrics eventually, if hardware allows that is.

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          dulko79 @suzzlo
          last edited by 16 May 2022, 16:12

          @suzzlo maybe it is hr sensor related, like effect of sampling rate. Plus licensing could be expensive.

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            Brad_Olwin Moderator @suzzlo
            last edited by 16 May 2022, 16:43

            @suzzlo said in New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28:

            Hi all,

            Yesterday I saw that Ray was presenting “an improved sleep algorithm” for Garmin devices and also, he is mentioning in the video that some time ago (1 year?), they have deliver a new Body Battery algorithm.

            My question is? does someone know if this changes are from FirstBeat algos, and if they are going to be also included in Suuntos releases?

            I’m just curious

            I’ve been comparing Garmin and Suunto on these. For me, the sleep is as good or better on Suunto. The Garmin does not always agree with how I feel. I am not sure the sleep as all that helpful on Garmin. Too much information for me.
            The Body Battery seems to work better for me than Resources as the latter seems to have a slower recovery. However, they are typically in reasonable agreement.

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              ChrisA Platinum Member @Brad_Olwin
              last edited by 16 May 2022, 21:11

              @brad_olwin agree on sleep! For me Garmin’s sleep tracking does not work well and pretty much contradicts its own body battery readings (e.g. I can have 99 or 100 % Body battery on wake-up and feel I had a good night s sleep and Garmin gives me a 58 Sleep score). For me that’s mostly because Garmin misses my deep sleep. But as I have realised here through you and others is, that I rely more on how I feel (both sleeping/relaxing and working out) and only second in what any sportswatch tells me 😀

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                suzzlo Moderator @Brad_Olwin
                last edited by 17 May 2022, 04:39

                @brad_olwin I see also Resources quite slow compared to Garmin…but which is right? No idea

                I’m curious to know if the Suunto updates include also first beat updates (like they are doing with Sony GPS)

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                  Brad_Olwin Moderator @suzzlo
                  last edited by 17 May 2022, 12:39

                  @suzzlo I do not know how the Firstbeat works with updates. Garmin has updated theirs with Stamina, which has not worked well for me. In the races I have done so far I can go several hours with 0% stamina.
                  For me Recovery Time is worse than Resources, I feel Resources are not that far off and if I switch between Suunto and Garmin as I said they are not that far off.
                  Probably depends on how the license is provided.

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                    freeheeler @TyreseJ4
                    last edited by 18 May 2022, 15:42

                    @tyresej4 said in New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28:

                    with all this discussion and interest in Vo2 max, now might be a time to try it.

                    I did… 37.66 on the track… the watch shows 41.9

                    living sideways

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                      DMytro @freeheeler
                      last edited by 18 May 2022, 16:11

                      @freeheeler the watch shows cumulative value, doesn’t it? Could be that you were just tired etc.

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                        freeheeler @DMytro
                        last edited by 18 May 2022, 16:34

                        @dmytro
                        not sure if I’ve ever ran faster 😂
                        …but it might have been not ideal after work in the afternoon sun at 28°C as a “snowman” 😉

                        living sideways

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                          Theo Lakerveld Bronze Member
                          last edited by 19 May 2022, 06:47

                          I’ve posted this in a separate post, but it disapeard somehow. Either way; my S9P automatically starts and stop laps/intervals when swimming in a pool. I really like this feature. When swimming longer intervals (>200m) it’s easy to loose track about how many meters I’ve swum (# of 25’s).
                          The watch’s high frequency beep is easily to hear under water. So it would be a good idea to let the watch beep at each completed 100m. That means, 1 short beep @ 100m, 2 short beeps @ 200m, etc.
                          That way one would receive a short reminder of the completed distance in an interval.

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                            DMytro
                            last edited by 14 Jun 2022, 06:09

                            Not sure where else to post it. Went for another hike yesterday, comparing S9, S9B and Fenix 5 vs values from Komoot map. The order is as follows: distance in km, highest point in m, total ascend in m, total descend in m.
                            S9: 16.58, 1809, 1306, 1159
                            S9B: 16.89, 1809, 1249, 1125
                            Fenix: ~ 19, 1573, 1088, 1068
                            Komoot: ~ 15.5, 1808, 1090, 960

                            So, it would seem that the Fenix overshoots the distance by a large margin (however maybe it just calculates 3D and not 2D distance or whatever), somehow really drops the ball for the highest point, yet shows the closest elevation gain as to that predicted by the map (while I have to wonder if it’s just a coincidence considering the highest point measured). On the other hand suunto is at least somewhat consistent between the watches and it could very well be that the algo is yet again different, picking up smaller elevation differences.

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                              juhis70
                              last edited by juhis70 15 Jun 2022, 07:15

                              Today I ran without HR belt, because I forgot it. Wrist HR is turned off in Running, so there was no HR measurement.

                              However, my watch (Suunto 5) happily gave me a VO2max estimate. I wonder how it was calculated without any HR info…

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                                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @juhis70
                                last edited by 15 Jun 2022, 07:21

                                @juhis70 it’s the prev vo2max.

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                                  sartoric Moderator @juhis70
                                  last edited by 15 Jun 2022, 07:23

                                  @juhis70
                                  That’s the estimated value, that one as far as I remember, it’s not the calculated one

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                                    juhis70 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                    last edited by 15 Jun 2022, 08:00

                                    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos Ok, thanks! I remember that with previous SW I had sometimes runs that did not give me VO2max, if there was a problem with HR belt. But displaying the previous value is ok (I checked that it was the previous value 🙂 )

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                                      thanasis Bronze Member
                                      last edited by 15 Jun 2022, 11:26

                                      any chances that we see a fix on the battery depleting when the watch is not worn because it seems that the HR sensor gets into a infinite loop ?

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                                        isazi Moderator @thanasis
                                        last edited by 15 Jun 2022, 13:09

                                        @thanasis that is fixed.

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                                          thanasis Bronze Member @isazi
                                          last edited by thanasis 15 Jun 2022, 13:45

                                          @isazi what do you mean? is it something coming down with the next release or it is fixed in the current version ?

                                          because yesterday I left the watch in my bag and lost 28% in a single day

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