Smart wake up alarm
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@Egika
Like it also, and knowing noone at suunto, I I just upvote
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@peakymatt said in Smart wake up alarm:
It’d be great if the watch could help with a good wake up, by taking it’s best guess at where the user is in a sleep cycle and at the right time sound/vibrate a very gentle alarm, within say 20 mins of a defined wake up time (with a harsher alarm at that time to ensure wake up).
While it feels like every minutes sleep helps, waking up feels much better if it’s at the right time in the cycle.
I’m wearing a Suunto 9 peak.
I know it can’t reliably and accurately measure sleep cycle, but it must be able to make a stab at this?
I used to have a phone app that aimed for this, just by sounding a really gentle alarm a bit before the actual alarm time, just in case I was near enough conscious to hear it and wake up before heading into deep sleep again to be broken by the real alarm.
The standard watch alarm is pretty harsh, it’d be great to have alternatives, including one that slowly ramps up sound and vibration.It’s something that I would like to see also.
In the same “sleep” category amazfit is apparently using AI for sleep…
https://www.amazfit.com/blogs/news/zepp-health-launches-amazfit-balance-with-ai-empowered-features-for-the-ultimate-in-balanced-livingHow well it works…idk
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@peakymatt said in Smart wake up alarm:
It’d be great if the watch could help with a good wake up, by taking it’s best guess at where the user is in a sleep cycle and at the right time sound/vibrate a very gentle alarm, within say 20 mins of a defined wake up time (with a harsher alarm at that time to ensure wake up).
While it feels like every minutes sleep helps, waking up feels much better if it’s at the right time in the cycle.
I’m wearing a Suunto 9 peak.
I know it can’t reliably and accurately measure sleep cycle, but it must be able to make a stab at this?
I used to have a phone app that aimed for this, just by sounding a really gentle alarm a bit before the actual alarm time, just in case I was near enough conscious to hear it and wake up before heading into deep sleep again to be broken by the real alarm.
The standard watch alarm is pretty harsh, it’d be great to have alternatives, including one that slowly ramps up sound and vibration.I think this is a Fitbit thing, and would be a great addition.
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@wakarimasen I remember Jawbone having it and the MS Band 2 too. I cannot believe how good it worked for me on both these devices. There was time I was wearing the Jawbone UP as fitness band (no screen, minimal design, very lightweight for: steps, resting HR and oh so good sleep analysis) and the almighty Ambit 2 as true sports beast.
This would be very cool addition to the Suunto ecosystem and something to brag about (especially now that FB is being replaced it might be easier). I think neither Garmin has something similar (they used to have it I think on the vivosmart band or what was it called). -
@peakymatt
It could make a stab at it, but its just as likely to get it wrong as right.
The idea about a smart alarm is to wake you in a light sleep cycle rather than a REM cycle (deep is very unlikely that late in a sleep cycle). - however its extremely difficult for a commercial EEG device and visual cues to differentiate between light and rem - as a watch is only basing this on movement (wrist) and blood flow - its really is impossible for it to even get a good estimate between light & rem. Thus there is no point to a smart alarm - as it really can’t tell if its light or rem.So you might as well just set an alarm systm up to replicate what you want i.e. a gentle alarm 20 mins before wake time with a harsh alarm on the time. Considering that suunto doesn’t have any speakers that would have to be done via beeps and or vibration - not sure how practical that is either - but maybe vibration only for pre alarm and then vibration and beep at alarm itme…
And replicate on phone.
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While gentle vibrations and S9PP don’t go well together, it may be a feature bold enough to change the vibrations altogether. And besides - this is a nice idea and would make me want to use the alarm in the watch instead of a phone.
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Giving a bump on this, specially now that we have different alarms.
I would be really keen on this if it works well (I am very happy with the sleep recording on my race s) -
Has anyone had a succesful experience of this? A lot of other companies have implemented it, and in my experience, none have succeeded, so much so that I think it’s a marketing gimmick.
My understanding is that, fundamentally, it relies on very accurate sleep stage detection, which none of the watches (or Whoop straps) can deliver. If they can’t reliably detect ligtht sleep, they can’t trigger the wakeup early, as it relies on detecting a light sleep phase within 30m of waking.
For context, if you use this feature on Whoop, it kicks the strap into a different mode 2h before wake, as they need the data server-side to detect the sleep stage, and even with their compute backend I haven’t experienced it working. (Source: firmware RE work.)
Ōura could probably do it, but, their ring gathers data, the app analyses it, so no path. (Source: app RE work.)
TL;DR: do you find that Suunto reliably detects light sleep, live, analysed by the watch, in the moment? If no, this feature is probably not worth the dev time given its dependencies. It would be nice to have, but, there are probably more useful things for engineers to do, however I accept this is in the hands of PMs.
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@Ze-Stuart I remember using this heavily on the Microsoft Band 2. It was great. I think Jawbone had it too and I was feeling great when waking up (maybe it was my youth I don’t know
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@peakymatt said in Smart wake up alarm:
The standard watch alarm is pretty harsh, it’d be great to have alternatives, including one that slowly ramps up sound and vibration.
I agree, suggest something similar few weeks ago. An alarm that is triggered ahead during a light sleep phase would be even better
