Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?
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A gimmick isn’t necessarily a bad thing, it’s all about perception.
If you find a featured useful, good on you, that doesn’t mean it’s good for everyone. Garmin attempts to deliver a plethora of features, some that are truly meaningless, others that are incredibly beneficial. I agree, there are many features I do wish Suunto had that Garmin has that I would still consider a gimmick lol.
Body battery, to me, is useless. Just like resources, to me, is useless. Listen to your body.
I previously believed that HRV / Stress were hit or miss, but I swear by the fact that a Garmin can detect when you’re getting sick before you can.
So, while I’m sure some write off Garmin, while using the term gimmick as a demeaning term, my point was that I don’t need 90% of what they offer. Why? Because those features are gimmicks that don’t help with my training.
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@Egika and steps, spo2, resources, sleep? I know there is update coming, but those are gimmicks for couple of years already. Also music, let’s se if new Suunto watch will have music. As far as I remember this is not the feature for target audience… I’m big Suunto fan, but you have to be realistic and not a fanboy, sorry.
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Egika said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
@TyreseJ4 that is because the way Garmin does it, is they generate some data, but the algorithm behind it is cumbersome and thus those things are gimmicks.
When Suunto does it, they do it right and scientifically backed. They then make it useful. HRV has been discussed - you will see other useful features soon
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G from garmin is gimmicks
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@zhang965 it is so scientific that it can’t record the swim laps correctly…
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and does not detect the type of swim
will see next update -
In meantime, Suunto’s trained computer scientist is working on improvement gps tracker for running on 16mins/km
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@Egika right so basically you are implying that the rest of the market has it all wrong and should take Suunto’s lead. Quite a heavy dose of implicit bias right there! So to be scientific, Suunto is happy to generate €35+ million in loss in 2022.
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@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
Egika right so basically you are implying that the rest of the market has it all wrong and should take Suunto’s lead. Quite a heavy dose of implicit bias right there! So to be scientific, Suunto is happy to generate €35+ million in loss in 2022.
Wow that’s a lot of added value.
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@zhang965 ouch!
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@Egika
and that is why Suunto leverage the same underlying algorithms as they want gimmicks too…
Guess you have never read the white papers hence comment that they have no underlying scientific basis. Sure I am sure some haven’t but the vast majority do when you go through the whitepaper.
Guess you haven’t seen the +500 scientific studies that they are currently taking part in.
And what was a really interesting when reading the article was about how scientific the brands are getting - I remember the article discussing how Garmin, Whoop and Oura - funny I don’t remember anything about Suunto…and how heavily underlined their metrics are in science and how much research they are doing to underline the metrics and to help other sections withing the medical health and fitness professions.
Sure some things are gimmicks - take SPO2 - massive gimmick. You can even take ECG and consider that a massive gimmick on smartwatches as 1 lead vs 12 leads so cannot pick up host of conditions - yet despite that sometimes those gimmicks are useful to some people.
And sure a feature like climbpro sounds like an absolute gimmick - until you use it and find out just how useful it can be. -
@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
@zhang965 ouch!
ouch! finally we found a true suunto target audience!
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Who would have ever thought that a clickbait title like this would have ended up in such an abundance of great content.
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isazi said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
Who would have ever thought that a clickbait title like this would have ended up in such an abundance of great content.
I don’t know, maybe you?
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@isazi pure gold
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@zhang965 swim drills is still not scientifically proven hence Suunto hasn’t implemented it yet on SV or 9PP
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@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
@zhang965 swim drills is still not scientifically proven hence Suunto hasn’t implemented it yet on SV or 9PP
Only good for the ambit series https://www.suunto.com/fr-fr/Assistance/Assistance-produit/suunto_ambit3_sport/suunto_ambit3_sport/caracteristiques/natation/
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@André-Faria the ambit series seemed to be real beasts… I never have seen one in action, but they seemed to have a lot of great features. Wasn’t it considered a step backwards when the Spartan/Suunto 9 came out?
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@ChrisA yep
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@ChrisA good watches, first one was a mess.