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    isazi Moderator @Marius Jacobsen Eggerud
    last edited by 29 Oct 2023, 07:46

    @Marius-Jacobsen-Eggerud the watch even adjusts the sleep a while after waking up (after being sure you’re up for good)

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      Marius Jacobsen Eggerud Silver Members @isazi
      last edited by 29 Oct 2023, 07:54

      @isazi Yes, realized that. Very impressed by the sleep tracking so far.

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        Pier Luigi Cingolani Bronze Member
        last edited by 31 Oct 2023, 14:28

        Is there any information in what classifies a “nap” in the watch? Definitely had few naps and only tracked a really long one.

        Additionally, am I the only one with quite inaccurate sleep tracking? I have to say, I am wearing my watch quite loosely, as it would otherwise bother me, but HR and HRV are really close to what my previous Garmin was tracking so I’d assume they are correct. However, tonight I went to bed as 11.30, SR said I was asleep by 1 (it was definitely before that, but that doesn’t seems a huge error tbh) but then tracked 3hrs as “awake”, when I clearly wasn’t.

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          ChrisA Platinum Member @Pier Luigi Cingolani
          last edited by ChrisA 31 Oct 2023, 18:14

          @Pier-Luigi-Cingolani (I am maybe repeating myself 😅) but what have you set as your resting HR on the watch?

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            Pier Luigi Cingolani Bronze Member @ChrisA
            last edited by 31 Oct 2023, 19:00

            @ChrisA i Just read your post, I have set it up to the one I have when sleeping 😅. So you are saying it should be the daily resting HR?

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              ChrisA Platinum Member @Pier Luigi Cingolani
              last edited by 31 Oct 2023, 21:06

              @Pier-Luigi-Cingolani yes for me sleep is very accurate, when I set the rest HR in the personal settings on the watch to about 9-10 neats higher than my average nightly resting HR.

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                David l @ChrisA
                last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 06:54

                @ChrisA how do you change that? My sleep is having me wake up 40mins earlier than I am (plus HRV is so low!)
                Thanks in advance!

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                  Egika Platinum Member @David l
                  last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 07:27

                  @David-Lown said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                  @ChrisA how do you change that? My sleep is having me wake up 40mins earlier than I am (plus HRV is so low!)
                  Thanks in advance!

                  Settings -> General -> Personal -> Rest HR
                  And yes, Rest HR is not minimum HR

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                    macdav Bronze Member @Egika
                    last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 09:07

                    What is the definition of “weak up”? Is it correct, it is not summed up to the total time?
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                      wmichi @Egika
                      last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 10:49

                      @Egika Shouldn‘t the watch be capable of finding the resting HR by itself? We now have real 24/7 HR measurements and the sleep tracking seems to work pretty good now on the SR. It also would be nice if we could track resting HR over time instead of minimum HR, since it‘s the more important metric (as far as I know).

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                        zhang965 @wmichi
                        last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 11:33

                        @wmichi said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                        Shouldn‘t the watch be capable of finding the resting HR by itself?

                        No so far the watch doesn’t ajuster HR

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                          wmichi @zhang965
                          last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 11:34

                          @zhang965 Currently not, but maybe in the future 😊

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                            zhang965 @wmichi
                            last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 11:36

                            @wmichi said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                            @zhang965 Currently not, but maybe in the future 😊

                            Yes, future with Suunto’s speed.

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                              Mauerwegler @Egika
                              last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 12:34

                              @Egika said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                              Settings -> General -> Personal -> Rest HR
                              And yes, Rest HR is not minimum HR

                              I got the impression in this forum that the minimum HR as shown in SA is the „key metric“ I should enter in the watch. I think I‘m not alone with this impression. Is there a page on suunto.com where „rest HR vs minimum HR“ is discussed, especially which one to use to define training zones?

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                                sartoric Moderator @Mauerwegler
                                last edited by sartoric 11 Jan 2023, 14:05 1 Nov 2023, 14:05

                                @Mauerwegler
                                afair there’s a huge thread here and a blog post on Suunto site about “how to set” or “how to train” using hr zones
                                you should find it using the search function on both sites

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                                  sartoric Moderator
                                  last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 14:08

                                  like this one
                                  https://www.suunto.com/it-it/sports/News-Articles-container-page/Figure-out-your-training-zones-and-supercharge-your-fitness/

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                                    ChrisA Platinum Member @Mauerwegler
                                    last edited by ChrisA 11 Jan 2023, 14:11 1 Nov 2023, 14:09

                                    @Mauerwegler When I set my resting HR in the watch to my nightly resting HR, sleep tracking does NOT work for me, neither do resources (they don’t rise then) - As far as I think it works it’s, that the watch „knows“ when you fall asleep by the fact, that you don’t move anymore and your HR goes down (and perhaps some other factors I don’t know). The difference between sitting on the couch ( and not moving ) and real sleeping is, that there is a difference between your average daily awake HR at rest and your nightly resting HR. And for me it works 😀

                                    Short comparison table: Suunto Race, Oura and a Whoop Strap (last 3days). I don’t care too much about sleep stages (though they seem roughly the same) but the sleep and awake times seem to fit.

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                                    Race seems to be a bit on the „late“ side, but that’s ok and MUCH better, than with other watches, especially Garmin, who was almost completely wrong for me.

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                                      Pilok @ChrisA
                                      last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 14:09

                                      @ChrisA That’s a pretty clever trick, thanks a lot!

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                                        Egika Platinum Member @wmichi
                                        last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 14:13

                                        @wmichi said in Sleep tracking bug ?:

                                        @Egika Shouldn‘t the watch be capable of finding the resting HR by itself?

                                        possibly yes. Just as zhang965 has pointed out, it currently does not. You could do it yourself easily when sitting in a boring meeting by pulling up the HR widget.
                                        What you read there sitting calmly not doing any thinking is your resting HR.

                                        For an automatic detection you’d need to tell the watch that you were ‘now’ resting. The effort compared to the above is probably similar…

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                                          Pilok
                                          last edited by 1 Nov 2023, 14:31

                                          I updated the original post including the most important insights of the discussion.
                                          Thanks a lot for all the answers!

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