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    Brad_Olwin Moderator @peegee
    last edited by 20 Nov 2023, 16:57

    @peegee said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

    @gone-troppo super bizarre! last night I got a better sleep reading than the previous ones but still over an hour less than the actual sleep duration.
    I’m going to keep on tracking… hoping for reliable results

    This happens to me as well. Sometimes sleep is perfect, it was last night and sometimes the watch states I am awake for 2h and I was not. It may be that I move around more during my sleep than most. I think the tracking will be improved. However, I have seen that the new firmware is far better than just a couple test versions prior. Sleep tracking is likely very difficult and I listen more to how I feel than what my watch tells me.

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      peegee @peegee
      last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 07:33

      @peegee
      Dissapointed again with 3 1/2h less sleep, after raising rest heart rate by 15 bpm… didn’t do any good at all😟

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        Stefan Kersting
        last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 07:55

        if you want an evaluation of how good sleep tracking works I think you have to compare the watch tracking when sleeping in a sleeping lab. Even if we are sleeping we are moving a lot. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Some times we register at we have moved a lot, sometimes not. But the watch does 😉 so it would be interesting to compare the tracking of the watch with a camera recording of the sleep 😉

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          AnonVerticalOwner @peegee
          last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 07:56

          Just adding my voice to the mix. Sleep tracking lost all accuracy after the update here too. The last three days read 12h, 2:23h, and 1:19h, while it should’ve read something like 5:30h, 7h, and 5:30h. It’s not just slightly off and balancing out; it is very far off.

          I love the UI/nav changes and the additional bits, but would also love to keep the basics 😅

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            Likarnik Bronze Member
            last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 07:59

            I find no difference in sleep times/awake times before/after update. Only thing I notice is high resources (before update, I was almost never above 90%, now it’s the opposite)

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              Stefan Kersting @Likarnik
              last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 08:21

              @Likarnik same here. Sleep tracking works fine for me. And I see too that I have up to 100 % ressources in the morning. But I noticed that I am not stressed at all. Maybe the stress will be tracked when I had 14 days with HRV tracking?

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                Likarnik Bronze Member @Stefan Kersting
                last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 08:25

                @Stefan-Kersting I guess we are not stressed anymore because update is finally here 😄

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                  Stefan Kersting @Likarnik
                  last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 08:43

                  @Likarnik haha that’s right

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                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                    last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 09:20

                    if you have sleep tracking problems, try to enable dnd just in case…

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                      wmichi @Stefan Kersting
                      last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 09:57

                      @Stefan-Kersting I also have never seen that I am stressed on my SR. Only active/inactive and recovering in the night. But today I have a cold, my resting HR is higher, HRV dropped and my resources display “stressed”, since I got up. During the night resources went up much slower. Finally stressed again 🙂

                      I think resources work pretty reliable now, at least in my observations. Big improvement to FirstBeat. Just a view minor annoyances (for example resources reset when charging/putting off the watch), but not a big deal. That resources no longer rely on user input (resting hr) is also big improvement (no more faking).

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                        Mff73 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                        last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 10:12

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

                        if you have sleep tracking problems, try to enable dnd just in case…

                        i think i have sleep tracking issues (weird awake durations), and my dnd is automatically enabled during same sleep tracking range.
                        So at least for me, it seems not playing a role.

                        this night, i woke up and fall asleep few minutes later, but SV decided that it was my final wake up hour.

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                          last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 10:43

                          Just adding to this discussion. My sleep tracking is good. Times seem to be correct, quality is higher than before the update (but approx. how I feel). Resources are almost 100%, but this is (I think) because they went up to 70% right after the upgrade and I am not able to deplete them to 0%. Each day I have 40-50% left so I assume that’s why. At least that’s my theory. HRV seems to be about the same as WHOOP. Everything except resources seems to be good here.

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                            Stefan Kersting @wmichi
                            last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 11:20

                            @wmichi ok so the HRV seems to work as supposed to work. Don’t want to test it by myself now 😉 but I hope you are getting better soon! Wondering if you can see the stress level after a late lunch and som alcohol, this is obvioulsy somthing that increases stress I heard.

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                              Mff73 @Stefan Kersting
                              last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 11:50

                              @Stefan-Kersting
                              Let us test the alcohol contribution tonight
                              🤣

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                                Stefan Kersting @Mff73
                                last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 11:51

                                @Mff73 part of beeing a beta-tester 😂 ?

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                                  Tieutieu Platinum Member
                                  last edited by Tieutieu 21 Nov 2023, 12:06

                                  Maybe not the best thread to ask : I’m wondering about « 14 days hrv range calibration » (must be recorded among the past 60 days).
                                  I’m not sleeping well last days (lot of work, partying unusually…). And days to come won’t be better.
                                  First days of hrv since SV update give « low » values (32 average).
                                  My question is : is hrv range set one time for all after those first 14 days, or is the range always evolving ?
                                  Suunto’s hrv website talks about hrv day comparison with past 7 days, and that 14 mesures amont 60 days are needed for setting the range, but it is not clear if range will also evolved.
                                  Sorry if it was discussed yet, didn’t manage to find answer to that question.

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                                    Stefan Kersting @Tieutieu
                                    last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 12:09

                                    @Tieutieu my understandig is that this is a “rolling” number over time. So I think in the long term the HRV will stabilize and it should not be a concern if you are in bade shape now

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                                      Tieutieu Platinum Member @Stefan Kersting
                                      last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 12:17

                                      @Stefan-Kersting ok thanks. Let’s see how it will move. It shouldn’t be hard to verify considering my really poor shape those days !

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                                        pilleus @Tieutieu
                                        last edited by pilleus 21 Nov 2023, 12:19

                                        @Tieutieu said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

                                        First days of hrv since SV update give « low » values (32 average).

                                        The absolute value is different for each person. Generally it will be high (100+) for young people and low (30-) for old people. But there are also young people with values about 40 and old people with values about 80.

                                        If you follow the measurement and readings of your personal values you will receive an average over the time. This value is important for you. Becoming lower will show you too much effort in your training or an upcoming cold or something else.

                                        The more consistent the values ​​are during the night, the lower the average will be in the morning. Large differences indicate a better condition of the heart, as the variability between individual beats is higher.

                                        The measurement in the night is shown as an average in the morning, shown on the watch (Vertical and Race) and in SA. Regarding the values (still missing in SA) all over the night, there are great differences.

                                        Here an example of an detailled measurement of the last night (it is working on any fitbit or WearOS watch) … it’s an outdated project of the Ludwig-Maximilian-University in Munich, in which I was involved as a test person.

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                                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @pilleus
                                          last edited by 21 Nov 2023, 13:05

                                          @pilleus Also to add this is not so correlated with how athletic you are.

                                          Its more about how the sympathetic / parasympathetic system works (and which one more).

                                          Additionally a sudden high value of hrv is suspicious if out of the blue and means that the parasympathetic system is trying to recover you , ie you broke a bone for example

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