New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28

Brad_Olwin

@cosme-costa @DMytro My VO2 Max has been going up as well compared to the prior firmware. Check your HR zones too.

DMytro

@brad_olwin even though mine is going up, it’s still at 31 XD. I most hike/walk, so for now vO2max hasn’t been a helpful metric, other than to remind myself that my fitness age is 74.

freeheeler

@dmytro
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/finding-your-maximum-using-vo2-max-in-training/

in the watch VO2max is an estimation only… similar to burnt calories, right? even I started looking at my VO2max values a bit more recently, I still don’t trust it.
instead I started to check my avg HR and NGP for running activities…
…and when I go for mountain bike rides again, I don’t care, I just enjoy

DMytro

@freeheeler sure, I have no illusions here XD.
Just giving a feedback as a almost-no-running person. Maybe, it’ll be taken into account. I still don’t really understand, why walking/hiking is consider for vO2max estimates, since the result is so inaccurate. I could have understood it in a ‘power walking’ sport, but not in the regular one.

freeheeler

@dmytro said in New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28:

I still don’t really understand, why walking/hiking is consider for vO2max estimates

me neither especially since I’ve read the short TP summary about VO2max…

cosme.costa

Thank you guys for the answers!

Probably I need to do a test lab again and redefine my HR zones. I did a test two to years ago and the V02max from the watch has been always quite similar, 1 or two points down max.

My doubts about the algorithm is because on Wednesday morning I did a trail running, not pushing, only pushed for 1 km (Strava segment ) and VO2max was more or less the the same than the day before (some tenths down) , at evening I did a hike and the VO2max kept the same value but yesterday I did, what I consider, a nicer trail run (same ascent, 30 seconds less per minute in pace and 7 bpm more in HR avg) and the VO2 went down by 0.7 points.

I guess is something related to the HR zones, but on the other hand I do not think my zones have changed that much in 1 month.

Mff73

@cosme-costa
Did you check the zones setup in your watch after the FW update ?
Could it be that after the update of your watch, the zones were changed/resetted to other values that your real ones ?

freeheeler

@mff73
I’ve checked mine and they remained the same after the updates

Mff73

@freeheeler
You, but maybe not @cosme-costa .
Just worth checking that this point is checked.
Last time I updated FW… I don’t remember with my SSU

cosme.costa

@mff73 I just have checked and like @freeheeler the zones are still the same.

If nothing changes, on Saturday and on Monday I want to do some trail runs with good ascent, will see how it behaves.

Thanks!!

freeheeler

@cosme-costa
side comment: I’ll propably do 1 or 2 runs in an area that I don’t know over the long weekend… I will rely on the navigation screen… it would be really nice to have the HR dial plus maybe 2 more values in the navi screen to avoid endless pressing of middle button, or living on the edge while running unlocked in order to swipe the screens…
#featurealreadysuggested

…a hotfix would be nice

cosme.costa

@freeheeler said in New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28:

@cosme-costa
side comment: I’ll propably do 1 or 2 runs in an area that I don’t know over the long weekend… I will rely on the navigation screen… it would be really nice to have the HR dial plus maybe 2 more values in the navi screen to avoid endless pressing of middle button, or living on the edge while running unlocked in order to swipe the screens…
#featurealreadysuggested

…a hotfix would be nice

I agree with this suggestion but, because its has some buts, must be implemented very well. In my opinion the HR dial shouldn’t be a problem, but adding some fields must be implemented very well in order of not having problems with the navigation. I had a bike computer that has a similar navigation than the S9B and you are able to add two data fields in the screen navigation, the problem with it is that if you have consecutive close turns when the device is redrawing the route in the screen it gets covered by the datafields so at some point you don’t see well the route until you have some straight or more open route.

I use navigation quite often, and it is quite good as it is now, some things can be better, of course, but add features and do not touch what it is working properly right now.

BTW, I’ve said that would be good to have the HR ring in navigation screen but as I’ve written in other posts for me is not a big deal to have HR or not, I like to check the values afterwards but I nearly never train or race checking/limited by HR values.

suzzlo

@cosme-costa @Mff73 there are different zones for running and also for default sports, those ones were never counted, because VO2Max was only including running, right?

Regarding zones ring, they should be added, not only in navigation, last day was checking burnt S+ feature and I completely miss the zoned

BR

Brad_Olwin

@suzzlo said in New software update for S9P-S9B-S9-S5P-S5 and S3 devices 2.20.28:

@cosme-costa @Mff73 there are different zones for running and also for default sports, those ones were never counted, because VO2Max was only including running, right?

Regarding zones ring, they should be added, not only in navigation, last day was checking burnt S+ feature and I completely miss the zoned

BR

For those that do not use the zone ring for HR we would not want it added to the Navigation screen as it uses valuable space. So there are those of us that do not want it.

DMytro

@brad_olwin maybe a customizable option for custom sport modes then?

freeheeler

@brad_olwin
…then another old request: higher grade of customization?! …toggle for the HR dial?
or let’s agree on 2 values to add there: HR and ascent rate

DF130

@freeheeler That would be even better! Last weekend I was running along a route never run (nor walked - all in an urban environment) before trying to stay in (power) zone 2, which was a bit of a challenge but would not have been if I could have activated the zone ring on the navigation screen. Maybe different types of navigation screens if customising a specific screen is too difficult/not in line with strategy etc?

Brad_Olwin

@freeheeler that would solve it. Actually, I and a couple others have asked for NGP to be an intensity zone. If that happens I’ll be in your camp.

freeheeler

@brad_olwin
I started looking at NGP a bit more recently since I think it gives me a better idea (in relation to avg HR) than VO2max… but as you know, I’m a pure amateur

freeheeler

observed today: ran a route today with navigation. it went down the same way as it went up. half way down the navi arrows showed correctly back home but the alti graph showed as if I was running backwards down again