Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical
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@boudaj it depends on how it’s implemented by Suunto. I think there is just a base data layer and “skins” for it. Perhaps more than default ones can be added? Or there could be a simple generator in SA?
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@Łukasz-Szmigiel
This is exactly my question, if someone knows it… -
@boudaj you cannot do anything at the moment, but as seen in recent surveys Suunto is looking at what people want with maps in the future. More layers is one of the options.
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@isazi well, I also have the impression that the Vertical is still very expandable. I’m not just talking about the maps. here is to criticize that it took me hours to download all of Germany… ( and yes my wifi is fast) . A trip to another state Cologne / NRW had the result that I could not see a map. Then i was back in Hessen IT works… In this respect, I cannot currently rely on whether the maps work outside of my state. Then the limitation to 500 m? I can’t see exactly where I am on a circuit. The watch only has one alarm in 2023 and the watch is anything but smooth. Apart from the fact that the clock has already hung up for me. Then functions such as body resources are simply implemented extremely poorly. A short unit immediately after getting up ensures that the resources can drop from 79% to 30%. After a treadmill training session I can’t calibrate the distance, etc… So there’s still some homework to be done… The design is cool and beautiful, but in my experience you can’t rely on the watch at the moment.
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That’s a bummer you’ve had a crap experience with yours. I upgraded to the SV from my S9B, although I also had a Garmin Enduro I was also semi-using just to see how they compared
Personally the SV is pretty much what I was hoping it would be, I’m lucky that I have no issues with maps or crashes. For me the maps/navigation features are awesome and a massive step up from the S9B where I was basically just following a blue line; I travel a lot for work and have used them quite a bit already to head out into places I have never been before. The only thing that didn’t work well for me was the OHR, unfortunately it’s unusable (as it was with my S9B), but I have a chest HR strap so whilst disappointing it’s not a particularly big deal
Hopefully in the future Suunto is able to roll out some other goodies like HRV which I found to be quite useful on the Enduro
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@Simon The degradation in reliability we all are suffering is nothing but the desperate try from suunto to keep up the development speed of Garmin. Suunto has decided to ‘Garminize’ itself. This is what the market wants. So if you suffer from suunto’s garminization do not go garmin. If you want reliable watch never by a watch newly released.
I have had suuntos, garmins, polars over the years and this is the best advice I can give.
Another advice: buy from Amazon with prime. You will have one full month to use and test your device and eventually give it back.
That’s what I did with my vertical and currently I am on S9pp.
I think I will buy Vertical when the software stabilize, the price drops etc… in a 6/9 months. -
@fluca
but you will miss the excitement we all celebrate before FW updates?!
ok, you can still celebrate with us with S9PPliving sideways
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About the details on the maps it also depends on open street maps.
I mapped all the area I went and all the forest track to a great level of details and it was so satisfying to see it appears in suunto app 2 or 3 weeks later.
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@freeheeler Nope!, actually I had double excitement. Because when new FW came up I had the Vertical AND the 9pp.
Reality is that S9PP is a fantastic watch. Vertical is a superb watch. I was one of the lucky one experiencing no problem at all.I gave the Vertical back because I do not like having spare things sitting in the shelf. I want to use what I own, and I am not the kind of guy swapping watches every two-three day.
I could have sold the S9PP and keep the Vertical. But in the end, I decided not to. It is too good and will make me spare some money for the moment.
May be in the future I will take another Vertical. May be a smaller, middle sized Vertical that will be out in the future(?). -
@Kowalski yup, it’s easy to do with osm web interface, especially when GPX from watch gets loaded into osm.
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I’m sorry guys that you experimented such issues, but your experience is not the one I have.
Fully happy, confident and astonished with my SV ! -
It’s weird that for some the watch works perfectly and for some not, I’m afraid this could be a hardware related thing
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@Dan-Cantir said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
It’s weird that for some the watch works perfectly and for some not, I’m afraid this could be a hardware related thing
Not afraid ! People expressing here are mostly people with issues ; it is important to improve and solve ; but it probably represents just a few among of all SV users.
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@Dan-Cantir Highly unlikely to be hardware, the field testers often test more than one hardware version and a very large number of different firmware versions. I have two different hardware versions of the SV, one on field test firmware and one on production firmware. Neither have the issues posted here with maps or crashing.
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@fluca I disagree with your statement. I think Suunto is targeting specific groups as they have done in the past. The Vertical is essentially the flagship outdoor watch, an Ambit replacement if you will. IMHO this watch is not a watch built for triathlons, ultra racing or marathons. For racing I much prefer the size and weight of the S9P/S9PP with the latter being my favorite. The S9PP was my main watch for my last 100 mile race that I wore alongside the Vertical. Neither one had any issues, both had nearly identical stats for the race.
Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing
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@Brad_Olwin said in Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical:
Neither have the issues posted here with maps or crashing.
What I meant is there could be a possibility that some of the watches have got a faulty electrical component that overheats or something and causes the crash. It could be a small % of all produced watches, otherwise it is hard to understand how could a software work good on some watches and crash on others. For example, I have read some rumours that Garmin switched the display supplier mid-production on some of their Fenix lineup, so someone could get a “Good display Fenix” and other a “Not so good display Fenix”. Just an idea, not pretending any of these are true. I was excited about Vertical being my next watch, but since these issues occur I am not so sure anymore. In my country we don’t have offical Suunto, so I have to buy it in another country, making the eventual return process(if I get a faulty device) really complicated.
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@Dan-Cantir
These are generally software and generally software butgs.
There is such much flexibility with these watches these days that it could be something as simple as you having one specific data field that may be causing the bug and as no one else is using it they aren’t experiencing it, but you are.
All you can do is try to work with support.Assume you have tried rebooting the watch - I often find that post updates its worth rebooting any tech device as its amazing how often glitches can arise from an update that rebooting completely fixes.
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@Brad_Olwin the fact that the maps work for you is certainly due to the fact that you are testing in a different region. Based on my experience within Germany, I cannot rely on maps outside of my hometown. how can I know if the maps work in another region or another country without me being there. for me it seems that some cards are faulty and you don’t know which ones are affected. Forum said that some maps for Germany are incorrect. for example Cologne NRW. I would like Suunto to communicate accordingly. "We found errors in map XYZ… please delete them and download them again… that would be transparent and trust in the map would be restored…
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@Sascha-Domres
if I may chime in here… our forum friend @mikekoski490 also had issues with maps, far away from germany. my wild guess, it is coincidence and difficult to test. also difficult to verify before travelling.please see the below link with a brief description what to do if restarting the watch doesn’t help. this is all we can do to support developers to improve maps
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@Sascha-Domres
Maybe it is not the map itself, but a sum of other circumstances which leads to map not displayed (and of course I really don’t know
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I had once, no map with previous/initial FW: restart of watch solved it, and map is still the same.
My personal case, just that.
