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    SuuntoR Bronze Member @General_Witt
    last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 12:23

    I also wonder if the data sync between watch and SA is fixed now (different values between watch and the app on the ctl/atl/tsb/tss values)? Really hope so, this was one of the most annoying bugs. Would try that myself with short run but covid19 has another opinion on that 😅

    Also still to the future whislist that did not come with this update: during the night if do not disturb is on and the display is shut down, please make it possible to check the time without the whole screen activating to full brightness. For example upper or lower key would give a screen like in aod power saving mode or something like that.

    Thanks for keeping your “promise” on November update, will have to explore more on the improvements 🙂

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      Mff73 @General_Witt
      last edited by Mff73 30 Nov 2023, 12:26

      @General_Witt said in Software update 2.30.32:

      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Will the custom sport modes be reset after the update? (I might start crying)

      i don’t know for the race, but since my spartan (and then S9P, S9PP and now SV), if update is going normally (no bug), then custom sports modes are kept as-is.

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        gizmo @General_Witt
        last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 12:29

        @General_Witt No, everything is on its place 🙂

        I have been using Garmin, Polar, Coros and Suunto watches for 20 years for running and cycling. I currently have Suunto Race.

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          Patrick Löffler 0 Bronze Member
          last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 12:30

          Yeah! Thanks! Some unexpected improvements. Also some that are extra to the release notes: E.g.: The date is now also fixed. It displays DD/MM now.

          Suunto Race, Vertical, Ocean, Race S
          Garmin Marq 2 Carbon (I know how stupid that is)
          Apple Watch Ultra

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            gizmo @General_Witt
            last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 12:34

            @General_Witt said in Software update 2.30.32:

            @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Will the custom sport modes be reset after the update? (I might start crying)

            No, everything is on its place 🙂

            I have been using Garmin, Polar, Coros and Suunto watches for 20 years for running and cycling. I currently have Suunto Race.

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              gizmo @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
              last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 12:51

              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Software update 2.30.32:

              My first impressions:

              Faster user interface - the improvement is visible
              Improved stability
              Improved GNSS accuracy with updated GNSS firmware
              Improved raise to wake - the improvement is very great

              I have been using Garmin, Polar, Coros and Suunto watches for 20 years for running and cycling. I currently have Suunto Race.

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                Mads Hintz-Madsen @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 12:56

                Older watch faces now also seem to use pixel shifting in always-on mode to mitigate potential burn-in effects 👍

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                  General_Witt
                  last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 13:16

                  It appears like the weather widget is still bugged (small weather icon on the left of the widget missing).

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                    mamertino1984 @General_Witt
                    last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 13:32

                    This was a problem that support was aware of
 but but but


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                      General_Witt
                      last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 14:11

                      Tilt the wrist to activate mode is now absolutely brilliant! Very responsive.

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                        LuĂ­s Pinto Platinum Member @General_Witt
                        last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 14:40

                        @General_Witt Race it’s now a solid product!

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                          gizmo @LuĂ­s Pinto
                          last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 15:59

                          @LuĂ­s-Pinto said in Software update 2.30.32:

                          @General_Witt Race it’s now a solid product!

                          Unfortunately, there is still very poor heart rate reading. I hope Suunto is working on it


                          I have been using Garmin, Polar, Coros and Suunto watches for 20 years for running and cycling. I currently have Suunto Race.

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                            tiago Bronze Member @gizmo
                            last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 16:17

                            @gizmo well I went for a run for the first time without chest strap,I always use chest strap,in my FĂȘnix 7 solar,955 and on previous watches I owned, because most of the watch in high intensity workouts don’t work properly,and even on steady runs if you have some hills tend to lag a bit to rise or down the HR. I tried to confirm if the statement of people of this forum about unreliable HR from Suunto Race is true. I took my Garmin forerunner 955 in right wrist and Suunto Race on the left,10 kms in both watches,05:27 pace average,139 bpm with a maximum of 149 on both,so for me is accurate,works fine. But again,if people want accuracy on HR readings make like i do, always use chest strap,is the only way.

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                              gizmo @tiago
                              last edited by gizmo 30 Nov 2023, 16:39

                              @tiago said in Software update 2.30.32:

                              @gizmo well I went for a run for the first time without chest strap,I always use chest strap,in my FĂȘnix 7 solar,955 and on previous watches I owned, because most of the watch in high intensity workouts don’t work properly,and even on steady runs if you have some hills tend to lag a bit to rise or down the HR. I tried to confirm if the statement of people of this forum about unreliable HR from Suunto Race is true. I took my Garmin forerunner 955 in right wrist and Suunto Race on the left,10 kms in both watches,05:27 pace average,139 bpm with a maximum of 149 on both,so for me is accurate,works fine. But again,if people want accuracy on HR readings make like i do, always use chest strap,is the only way.

                              I disagree with you, because Garmin 935/945/955, Fenix 6/7, Coros Pace 3, Apex PRO, Apple watches indicate the heart rate so precisely that an HR belt is not needed for regular running. In Race and Vertical it’s much worse. The WHR in these watches is so inaccurate and unstable that it is not suitable for any sport or even for measuring sleep parameters.
                              I agree that Race and Vertical are great watches, but the WHR is significantly inferior in terms of quality. I still believe that this problem will be fixed with new software. If not, I will have to sell my Race and go back to Garmin or Coros.

                              I have been using Garmin, Polar, Coros and Suunto watches for 20 years for running and cycling. I currently have Suunto Race.

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                                Brad_Olwin Moderator @gizmo
                                last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 16:51

                                @gizmo said in Software update 2.30.32:

                                @tiago said in Software update 2.30.32:
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                                I disagree with you, because Garmin 935/945/955, Fenix 6/7, Coros Pace 3, Apex PRO, Apple watches indicate the heart rate so precisely that an HR belt is not needed for regular running. In Race and Vertical it’s much worse. The WHR in these watches is so inaccurate and unstable that it is not suitable for any sport or even for measuring sleep parameters.
                                I agree that Race and Vertical are great watches, but the WHR is significantly inferior in terms of quality. I still believe that this problem will be fixed with new software. If not, I will have to sell my Race and go back to Garmin or Coros.

                                I completely disagree, my Apple Watch Ultra and the past Epix 2 were not accurate enough to use without a chest strap. I have the data where both are worn together. I have never owned Coros so I don’t know. Apparently you have owned them all since you state this as a fact? Sorry but from what we see here OHR is different for different individuals. The underlying biology for detecting HR are radically different for the strap and any optical no matter where located.

                                Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                  tiago Bronze Member @gizmo
                                  last edited by tiago 30 Nov 2023, 16:55

                                  @gizmo if you read what i said,I don’t told 955 or fenix 7 was not accurate, they are accurate enough in steady runs. On intervals is hit and miss. Sometimes work,others not. Thats why i use chest strap. If I don’t considered the 955 accurate on steady runs,I won’t compared with the Suunto Race, what i said was today in my run, Suunto Race and forerunner 955 using the OHR get the same readings,137 bpm in both with a maximum of 149 in both. In my point of view,is accurate. But we all know OHR for some people works fine,for others not,so I’m only sharing my experience.

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                                    gizmo @tiago
                                    last edited by gizmo 30 Nov 2023, 17:10

                                    @tiago if you read what i said
 all the watches I wrote about are a level better at reading heart rate for steady runs and you can rely on them. Race and Vertical are unreliable, I did about 30 steady, easy runs in various conditions, using different straps and none of the measurements were stable and reliable. In short, WHR in Race and Vertical is currently useless. If the watch sometimes shows the true HR value, and most of the time it shows the wrong value, then it is completely useless. If the watch calculates a lot of parameters based on such a useless reading, then these parameters are also useless.
                                    The navigation is great, the screen is excellent, the compass is incredible, the battery is amazing, but the WHR sucks. That’s the truth
                                    If Suunto doesn’t perform a miracle and improve WHR, unfortunately I don’t predict a great future for these watches.

                                    I have been using Garmin, Polar, Coros and Suunto watches for 20 years for running and cycling. I currently have Suunto Race.

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                                      herlas Silver Members @gizmo
                                      last edited by herlas 30 Nov 2023, 17:24

                                      @gizmo Vertical and Race OHR are fine for me up to steady pace runs, for quality workouts, strap is always the way to go.

                                      The only time I do see spikes and wrong values is during -0c runs, but hey, thin wrist and bad weather is a killer combination 🙂

                                      It’s been said many times, OHR is very personal, in my case it works great only on my right wrist (I’m a lefty, so go figure) and when used at least one finger above wrist bone and the right level of tightness.

                                      Those complaining about Vertical and Race OHR clearly didn’t use previous Suunto OHR such as the one on the Suunto 9, that was really really bad, it was belt needed all the time for me, even for easy runs.

                                      With that said, things are improving with Suunto on the OHR front 😉

                                      See last Sunday 15K run , did a 2km zone 1 warm-up, followed by pacing on zone 2 and closing the run on zone 3.

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                                        gizmo @herlas
                                        last edited by gizmo 30 Nov 2023, 17:26

                                        @herlas said in Software update 2.30.32:

                                        With that said, things are improving with Suunto on the OHR front 😉

                                        And this is undeniable truth and I agree with it 100% 🙂
                                        But there is still a long way to go to the acceptable level that the competition achieved long ago.
                                        Unfortunately, my measurements look completely different. A straight path, constant pace, real heart rate around 160bpm
 and the graphs look like this:

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                                        Values on the chart: 110-180 bpm
 real value stable 155-165bmp


                                        For comparison, the reading from the HR strap
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                                        I have been using Garmin, Polar, Coros and Suunto watches for 20 years for running and cycling. I currently have Suunto Race.

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                                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                                          last edited by 30 Nov 2023, 17:40

                                          Keep in mind we are entering colder temps and all ohr units have less accuracy. You cant compare testing a watch in summer to testing another watch in winter. The same.watch would perform differently.

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