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Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update

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    Mff73
    last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 06:53

    No button press this night (i didn’t fall 🙂 ), and 5h29 awaken time.
    So, nothing new.
    Next week i will try to sleep with SV + S9PP and see.

    Suunto Spartan Ultra (since 2016) FW: 2.8.24 (retired)
    Suunto Vertical all black
    Wife : S9PP
    SA: Always the latest beta :)
    Android 13, Galaxy S205G

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      Dušan Ković
      last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 07:07

      This is second night after the update. I think the sleep tracking improved. Last night was spot on.

      Screenshot_20231202-080440.png

      We will see in the next few nights how it will work, but it looks like it works well.

      SR
      SA latest beta
      Polar Verity Sense
      Pixel 6

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        Mads Hintz-Madsen @Dušan Ković
        last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 07:18

        @Dušan-Ković I think that you are talking about the Race. This thread is for the Vertical which uses different algorithm. Just wanted to point this out to avoid any confusion 😊

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          Iggge
          last edited by Iggge 12 Feb 2023, 13:44 2 Dec 2023, 09:14

          This time i think The watch actually got it 90% right ✅️
          Only thing that is wrong is when I went to sleep. It’s about 30-45 min wrong. But this is acceptable for me.
          This night i actually did put The watch on my under arm, and it seems to have made the trick.
          Screenshot_20231202_100830_Suunto.jpg

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            Dušan Ković @Mads Hintz-Madsen
            last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 13:11

            @Mads-Hintz-Madsen oh, sorry, I somehow switched parts of the forum 😄

            SR
            SA latest beta
            Polar Verity Sense
            Pixel 6

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              Tieutieu Platinum Member @Mff73
              last edited by Tieutieu 12 Feb 2023, 13:48 2 Dec 2023, 13:20

              @Mff73 said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

              No button press this night (i didn’t fall 🙂 ), and 5h29 awaken time.
              So, nothing new.
              Next week i will try to sleep with SV + S9PP and see.

              Sleep tracking still ok for me with my SV. And I sometimes press buttons at night to look at the time (I have “do no disturb” activated at night), it has never stopped the tracking or shortened my nights.

              Suunto’s devices at home :
              Vertical titanium solar
              Suunto Race S
              S9pp titanium sand
              Suunto Wing
              S9B titanium Ambassador edition, A3P, X6

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                tiago Bronze Member @Tieutieu
                last edited by 2 Dec 2023, 14:33

                @Tieutieu I think it could be like the trend in the Suunto Race,CTL ATL and TSS differences between watch and app, affect some users others not. Don’t know the why,if for some people,in my case, works properly,for others not. It’s related with the new proprietary algorithms from Suunto,and if is a problem who won’t affect everyone is harder to track.

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                  Iggge
                  last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 09:11

                  Seems like I have have solved the problem by wearing the watch like this.
                  Two days now and it’s showing correct values

                  20231203_100941.jpg

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                    peegee @Mff73
                    last edited by 3 Dec 2023, 12:12

                    @Mff73 last night I broke the negative sleep record, l slept for 8h, got up twice during the night, did not press any buttons at all. SV showed 1:04h sleep and that I fell asleep at 05:25am. Which doesn’t make any sense at all… I didn’t get up at this time and wasn’t awake…
                    Maybe I just dreamt I was asleep 🤣

                    Been with a Suunto on my wrist since Ambit2
                    Currently alternating between Race titanium & Vertical titanium solar.
                    Would love a Vertical with amoled display.

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                      Iggge
                      last edited by Iggge 12 Apr 2023, 13:31 4 Dec 2023, 05:35

                      Another update: This night it faild, and big!
                      Went to sleep late at 2350, and up 0615.
                      Total sleep according to watch: 1 hour and 43 min.

                      Will wait for next update. If it don’t work after that I’ll sell it 😕

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                        e6321 Bronze Member
                        last edited by 4 Dec 2023, 07:56

                        Yeah to me this definitely seems to be a OHR problem. Wonder what they changed?

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                          Iggge
                          last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 05:31

                          So this night i got 2.42 hours of sleep. I have actually bought a new watch. Thr poor sleep tracking is killing the data

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                            Philip Bronze Member @Iggge
                            last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 06:38

                            @Iggge I think it is more important to watch the figure of the quality of your sleep, and I must say in my par it is always like I feel myself in the morning when getting up.
                            The hours I slept is more or less 1 or 2 hours less than I slept.

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                              Iggge @Philip
                              last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 06:51

                              @Philip absolutely, but for a 800$ watch I want the most basic features to work. I do know that I wakes up sometimes during sleep for various reasons. But that a 7 hours sleep shows as a 2 hours sleep is just to big difference, and is altso affecting other data to as HRV and Resources

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                                AnonVerticalOwner
                                last edited by 6 Dec 2023, 08:36

                                Reporting back after some days now again. I’ve had one night that seemed spot-on, but for the rest it’s been randomly completely misjudging sleep/waking times, and detecting awake hours.

                                It’s clear that when you miss a bit of HR data it draws conclusions from that super quickly, but even with 100%/complete HR data it can get really far off.

                                I wonder if those who experience this move quite a bit during their sleep. Perhaps it’s not handling it well when people are tossing and turning, and the nights being reported as spot-on could be the ones where they haven’t.

                                It’s at least not only HR, even if it definitely appears more/too sensitive on that front too. Are there any ideas from Suunto’s end? Happy to test hypotheses.

                                Vertical connoisseur / 9 Peak Pro custodian — v2.39.44 / v2.37.34 — 67° North

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                                  Tieutieu Platinum Member
                                  last edited by 7 Dec 2023, 06:49

                                  Still perfect here : I woke up tonight for a minute.
                                  This morning at first the watch told me « 3 hours sleep » when I went to sleep section (from when I fall asleep to the moment I woke up). But few moment after I had been really awake and stood up, I had the « last night resume » with my 7h37 hours of sleep with 1min awake.
                                  With the previous firmware my SV would had been usually stuck to the 3 hours.

                                  Suunto’s devices at home :
                                  Vertical titanium solar
                                  Suunto Race S
                                  S9pp titanium sand
                                  Suunto Wing
                                  S9B titanium Ambassador edition, A3P, X6

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                                    A Former User
                                    last edited by 7 Dec 2023, 08:07

                                    Well, I am not sure what exactly happened, because I have not changed anything at all, but the sleep tracking is now worse on my watch. I have also checked my gf’s S9PP, and it’s even worse. Until two or three nights ago the sleep tracking was spot on, suddenly it has issues with recognising when I went to bed. So the outcome is shorter sleep. I don’t really get it.

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                                      Łukasz Szmigiel @Guest
                                      last edited by 7 Dec 2023, 08:27

                                      @tomasbartko my sleep and regeneration is super awesome after the last update. To the point that it seems that I should be fine with 5 - 6 hours of sleep and I never go below 40% resources. Which I believe is far from true.

                                      Likewise, I didn’t change anything in regards to base HR or sleep time.

                                      S9PP 2.40.38

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                                        A Former User @Łukasz Szmigiel
                                        last edited by 7 Dec 2023, 08:39

                                        @Łukasz-Szmigiel Do you also have 99% of resources every morning? Even though you feel like 💩 ?

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                                          Łukasz Szmigiel @Guest
                                          last edited by 7 Dec 2023, 08:48

                                          @tomasbartko yes, every day. I also have approx. 1 hour of deep sleep more than I used to have with previous algorithm.

                                          S9PP 2.40.38

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