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    Losing faith on the S9 (treadmill & HR) latest firmware

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    • Brad_OlwinB Offline
      Brad_Olwin Moderator @nassosc
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      @nassosc Need to have @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos check on this. Should not have been worse. Can you confirm that GPS is off?

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      • nassoscN Offline
        nassosc @Brad_Olwin
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        @Brad_Olwin yes gps is off.

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        • SlaShS Offline
          SlaSh Platinum Member
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          Do some running with GPS outside and it will calibrate accelerometer. Because every update wipes calibrated data.

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            Egika Platinum Member @SlaSh
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            @SlaSh said in Losing faith on the S9 (treadmill & HR) latest firmware:

            Do some running with GPS outside and it will calibrate accelerometer. Because every update wipes calibrated data.

            Right.
            The problem is, that you need some technical background to explain the behavior of the watch…
            And even then there is a lot of guessing about the functions happening in the background.
            Why not add an indicator in the watch information about if calibration für walking or running has been completed? Just two flags should not be too difficult to add.

            Or a warning when starting a run w/o GPS, that the accelerometer has not yet been calibrated.

            Or at least a hint in the manual.

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            • nassoscN Offline
              nassosc @SlaSh
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              @SlaSh unfortunatly I have done a run with the GPS, actually it was the run before the 3 horrible treadmill runs. Will do another one since my options are limited. Thank you.

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              • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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                There was nothing touched regarding the accelerometer. Try to reflash the FW or reset

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                • nassoscN Offline
                  nassosc
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                  Did a FW reset and a GPS run and accelerometer seems to be calibrated. Just to set the record straight…

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                  • oeagleoO Offline
                    oeagleo @SlaSh
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                    @SlaSh said in Losing faith on the S9 (treadmill & HR) latest firmware:

                    Do some running with GPS outside and it will calibrate accelerometer. Because every update wipes calibrated data.

                    I’m curious, am I reading this right that if you update the watch, the calibration data for indoor distance, etc is wiped, and you must again do the run outside to recalibrate before it’s accurate indoors again?

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                    • nassoscN Offline
                      nassosc
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                      @oeagleo I have updated the watch several times before in the past and callibration was not needed. Not sure it was a bad update (if that is possible) or it just needed calibrating.

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                      • SlaShS Offline
                        SlaSh Platinum Member @oeagleo
                        last edited by SlaSh

                        @oeagleo watch update is clearing cached data as accelerometer calibration profile and other, so you need to do activity with GPS to get it calibrated again. This is nothing new Farmin watched act the same after upgrade.

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                        • SlaShS Offline
                          SlaSh Platinum Member @nassosc
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                          @nassosc and how treadmill distance and etc looks like now?

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                          • nassoscN Offline
                            nassosc @SlaSh
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                            @slash treadmill distance is correct now.

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                            • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @nassosc
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                              @nassosc what solved it ?

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                              • nassoscN Offline
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                                not sure, did a watch reset and a gps run. after that the treadmill distance was again ok

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                                  I totally agree with you…Screenshot_20181211-175011_Suunto.jpg

                                  I am 45 years old…y I was sustaining 219 BPM for more than 20 min at the beginning of my work out…

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                                  • nassoscN Offline
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                                    @Marcel-Baliño its all the good training! well i get the same error and after about 8-10min it drops to normal levels. As far as I know it is problem with the sensor software that some encounter and it will most probably be fixed in the next update.

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                                    • SlaShS Offline
                                      SlaSh Platinum Member @Guest
                                      last edited by SlaSh

                                      @Marcel-Baliño ohrm or belt?

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                                        Darren_M Bronze Member @nassosc
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                                        @nassosc I can’t vouch for the treadmill distance issue you have, because I don’t use them unless injured. However, I will say that the one time I did use the watch on the treadmill it was surprisingly accurate. Interesting one from @SlaSh on the watch resetting the calibrated data after update, I never knew that.

                                        More importantly for me, as it doesn’t appear to be getting much air time, is the HR issue. I contacted Suunto over this issue, blaming the update, because the HR is consistently poor since then. I have seen it once or twice before, it’s every run since I updated.

                                        After I made first contact with Suunto support, I was asked to link moves from Movescount into the email reply so that they could be checked by the technical guys. I replied with the links from Movescount and within 24 hours a different support agent replied telling me to update to the latest firmware. I’d already explained that I had the latest fw in the original email. Therefore, I was simply receiving the big FINGER, like go away, we’re not interested! Therefore, it was time to get shirty - ending with “I’ll just get a refund then, it’s under warranty!” This provoked a 5 minute response time, with the suggestion that it was being escalated to a more technical level. Do I believe it? No! I know some on here think Suunto are a great company. However, if they go down the same route as Garmin support used to, which they just tried to do, then their name will become mud every time they come up in conversation.

                                        All I ask is that they look into it, acknowledge that it isn’t right and tell me if they can correct it or not! What I don’t want the have to do is repeat myself over and over again to different support agents!

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                                        • nassoscN Offline
                                          nassosc @Darren_M
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                                          @Darren_M well today I did another treadmill run with 1km difference in a 12k run. which I believe is unacceptable. I have the same issue with the OHR but it doesnt bother me so much since I use my belt.

                                          I have emailed support and they also asked for my movescount link. I did send it and now waiting. I have also asked for a replacement watch but it was ignored.

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                                          • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @nassosc
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                                            @nassosc I am sorry to say but if you expect a wrist based device to give you the same results from a threadmill then I would suggest to sell the watch and get somtbing else or a brand that let’s you calibrate via treadmill etc.

                                            Suunto devices calibrate via GPS and are mainly used for outdoor distance.

                                            The treadmill already shows you the distance and pace why bother?

                                            As another example, another user can complain about the rowing distance not being correct.

                                            That said I do know that even expensive pods don’t match all threadmills.

                                            To blame the device that is not build for this purpose I am sorry but come on.

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