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It is my opinion that Suunto has an amazing opportunity to be the Apple to Garmin’s PC. What I mean by that is an alternative to all the bloat and gross slow bits of Garmin Connect and their correlations on the watches.
Suunto is clean, fresh and has amazing hardware. This software thing is clearly what is holding it back. There is a post above about how hard it is and how expensive it is to get a new customer. I think people are coming to try Suunto, but if the software is not right they will go back to where they were before whether it be an AW or Garmin.
Basics like listed above, sleep tracking, and a good look at navigation/climb assist would be a good start. I know some will say that sleep tracking or climb assist are not priorities for them, but the reality is I would argue that Suunto has the LEAST reliable sleep tracking on the market and if you are going to spend several hundred (whatever currency you use) on a watch it should work, period. I mean it is a proper dumpster fire if it does not work for someone. You will go weeks with maybe a nap each night. Maybe. climb assist is beautiful and useful if and when it works, but if it doesn’t you will definitely be cussing at your watch in the middle of an adventure. Even turning around early can confuse the watch and throw off navigation on an out and back. These are the features people are used to and judge Suunto on.
Some will say features sell, but Coros has been hot lately and they are totally lacking in features IMHO. The one thing they do have is stoutness in the software. Those watches will track some sleep, GPS some miles, and track some HR. The hardware is nowhere near as nice as Suunto, but what it does it does consistently.
This is not complaining, this is a plea for cleaning up what we already have before moving on to pretty new things. We have 4 great watches now. Lets make them all work really really well and show them what a great Finnish/Chinese company can do without bloatware and a second mortgage like price tag.
Suunto Vertical, Vertical 2, Race, Race 2, Race S and Run. Back to the Race S at the moment.
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@Stavrogin i think it is super subjective, unless Race 2 is so different from Race S, but most of the people I know would say that Suunto’s sleep tracking just works. (Unless you mean real scientific comparison about sleep stages and things, that might be not so reliable). Clib Guidance is very well at the moment, yes it has some issues but compared to general offerings it is truly good. Of course Suunto has bugs from time to time and I think in this forum we tend to see mostly people who complain, because that is in a way the point with this forum.
Suunto Race S (Titanium Canary)
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The Race 2 isn’t worth 500 euros. The app is poorly programmed and cheap. Why not just steal a few things from Garmin or Polar? Everyone does it. And not every Suunto user is a hiker. Many run or cycle. One can only hope for an update soon. Even the basic Strava segment implementation isn’t being developed further. But the Race 3 is coming in a few months, then everything will be better 🫣
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@Stavrogin for me (Race 1, Race S atm) Suunto’s sleep tracking works great. Compared it against many other devices (Whoop, Oura, Apple Watch) and they always corresponded closely. I don’t say it works for everyone, since for me eg. Garmin’s sleep tracking does not work very good (sees me awake for hours at night, when I am sound asleep), but to say Suunto’s sleep tracking doesn’t work at all for anyone is not true. I can not comment on the Race 2 though.
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@Ollipolli I disagree about the app. I actually prefer Suunto app to Garmin Connect. There are some silly parts of the app - mostly the older parts inherited from Sports Tracker but it has matured quite a bit in the last couple of years.
However I fully agree with you with regards to Strava Live Segments, which is the worst implementation of segments among all brands. The only single advantage it has is that live segment tracking still works at the same time with navigation, but that isn’t true for Garmin or Coros implementations.
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@OutdoorMan I have reproduced it from the first try. I created a new sport mode based on Trail Running and added a graph with HR at the bottom and pace at the top.Then I started an activity and here what I saw:
Furthermore, I have these issue on two Suunto watches that I own - both Race and Race S.
Now, the question is how I remove this custom sport mode that I don’t actually need? There isn’t a way that I can see.
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@sky-runner just tap on Edit in the sport mode customisation screen and delete it.
Btw. this is how it looks on my watch, so I guess it’s some weird bug.
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@OutdoorMan This is how it looks for me the first time I use the watch after I reboot it or after an update. Then next time it shows the flat line. What is even more, I have just tried starting a run after finishing another run, and the graph showed HR from the last 40 minutes of the previous run. These is some weird sharing of the data across activities which to me seems like a clear bug. But I have Race 1, so there may be a subtle difference between my watch and your watch when though they are supposed to run the same software.
Anyway, that was meant to be just as example of something that I reported over a year ago. But I could make a decently long list of other things. Seeing all these bugs not being fixed is what gives me a pause when I think about an upgrade. After all. the new watches run exactly the same software and seem to be even more buggy. If I was a satisfied user, I would buy a new Race as soon as it was released.
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@aiv4r that is the thing people say when sleep tracking “just works”. I find forums are people with singular experiences. Rather than being empathetic to the tech needs of others we retreat to amplifying our singular n of 1 experiences.
I would not make such a point if I had not seen a lot of people reaching out for help. Sorry your “most people” just work. I celebrate them. When you have software issues I hope that is not the response you get
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@Ollipolli I agree. Where are the updates? I got my race 2 a little over a week ago and have noticed so many random glitches and silly things that are missing in the the basic functionality of the watch that its competitors in similar price ranges have. For example… a very basic “feature”, and I cringe when I say its a feature but being able to show what the remaining battery percentage corresponds to in actual days. Why can we not see this?? Also, sometimes the button shortcuts dont work when im on the watch face screen and everything is unlocked. I have to scroll a bit and then itll work. So many more that a lot of people on reddit are talking about too.
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@Stavrogin i think your missynderstood my point but that is fine, everybody has their opinion. But I suggest you to use your own logic and think that people who do not have problems will not go to forums and reddit and say thay it works for them, since they do not have a reason. We only see those who complain and I assume that is minority of poeple.
I have full understanding for people if it does not work and I hope it will be improved for them.
