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@raven i also learnt running via couch to 5k. at some point i increased my distance and then pivoted to miles as that is easier for me to ‘visualise’ because that’s the system i was raised under. i have an instinctive picture in my head of how far “10 miles” is. that’s the distance from my childhood home to the big supermarket. i used to cycle that distance for a summer job. That Kind Of Thing.
as for farenheit - that is complete nonsense to me! something like 0F is the coldest day that Mr Farenheit was aware of, and so what, 100F is the hottest? cmon
just don’t think people should feel required to use the default systems they grew up with. Learning is fun.
of course
i am learning japanese as we speak. it’s fun, but typically when i buy a gadget or a wearable it’s to convenience my life, rather than inconvenience it. like i occasionally switch my phones language to japanese so i can respond to messages in japanese etc, but i’d draw the line at a japanese-only phone! -
@dankcushions Yeah, for myself, as I said I grew up in America but specifically Florida. We used Fahrenheit but I didn’t really understand temperatures below say 70F (about 21C). Some time ago, we moved to the America midwest to a university town that has real winters. This is a community where walking is easy to do and I wanted to try to adapt as best as I could to winter and walk even when it’s colder than I’d like. However, I honestly could not recall what freezing was in Fahrenheit I knew it was thirtsomething and I think an even number, but whether that was 32, 34, 36 was difficult to recall. We needed a new HVAC system in the house I bought and we got a Nest thermostat to go with it. I decided to set that to Celsius as I knew it was zero there and that seemed proper to me. We raised our three kids in this environment, switching the car to Celsius as well, and now they all think “Celsius first,” which was beneficial when we visited Europe.
My overall point was to push against the idea of “my country does things X way, so I have to do that too,” without taking some consideration and introspection on whether that makes sense or if another option is better. I will mildly tease my American running friends who use imperial I’ll always “do better” than them, as for every 3.1 miles they run I’m running 5km which is more, right? For myself, I can now visualize a kilometer easily but I just think of a mile as two kilometers even though it’s wrong. Oddly, when in a car I don’t really think about “distance” as much as I do “time”. Something isn’t X miles or Y km away, it’s 15 minutes with the current traffic.
However, my friends use of imperial doesn’t bother me, and if that’s their preference I don’t want them to feel forced to change, much like I don’t want to use a right handed bowling ball but have rarely had my preferred option. I just wanted to present the idea that, while waiting for Suunto to improve preferences, perhaps try out options you may not have thought about. Sounds like you’ve already made that analysis though. I hope things improve for you.
On a related note, with my new Race S I’m trying out 24 hour time. Typically I use am/pm with watches, so “4pm” rather than 16:00, but on some of the watch faces when I set that up I disliked the how the watch looked with the pm label on it, and didn’t see a way to disable that (I’d be ok with 4:00 and having to figure for myself if it’s am or pm). I switched it to 24 hour time and liked the look of it better. I should probably take the time to go through all the watch faces in both modes, and document my dislike of the pm label, to encourage more options to turn it off (and this will be amusing if someone points out I can do that now and missed it) but I’m also not too bothered by seeing 16:00 so perhaps my laziness will win out.
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@dankcushions funny, I’m not disagreeing with you, but I’m from the UK, I’m 58, and an perfectly happy using metric for everything sports related and personal life weight etc. Only in a car do I use Imperial as all the road signs are that way.
Not everyone from the UK cares, but I get your point and it would be handy for some people.
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@dankcushions I am in the USA but I also strongly prefer temperature in Celcius. Suunto Ambit used to support mixed units. Then when a new software was introduced for Spartan series, mixed units were no longer supported.
I don’t see this as a very complicated feature. It would be really great to have this!
Also, while we are here, please make vertical speed unit customizable too with choices between feet/hour, feet/min, meters/hour, and meters/min. When imperial units are selected, vertical speed defaults to feet/hour, which I personally find unusable because the number ends up being too large (typically 2000-4000 ft/hour for me) and changing too much every second. I have hard time processing that. For something like trail running, feet/min makes more sense because it produces small numbers in 30-60 ft/min range (up to 100 ft/min for descents) that are much easier to reason about. In fact the choices that I mentioned above are possible on Garmin watches.
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@roblambell said in Imperial for miles, Metric for celcius, and per-sport settings:
units for everything, distance, altitude, pace, and temperature could all be set independently
And vertical speed too, please!
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@sky-runner we are really asking this, for a while now. Not implemented yet, but I heard the request finally arrived at the decision level
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@roblambell said in Imperial for miles, Metric for celcius, and per-sport settings:
easily toggle between them during an activity (configurable long presses - with an option being to toggle units - during activity??), would be my preference!
whenever doing an activity with someone without a watch, they often want to know a metric I share with them in a different unit so this’d be really great in that scenario
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Hello - This is my first post, so sorry if I have done it wrong. I recently have bought a race 2 and love it, but do have the same frustration that I cant mix my units between metric for celcius and imperial for distance. Is this feature expected to come in the distance future?
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@charlieyorke1 Generally, Suunto does not give a timeline of expected new features. As far as I know, this has not been addressed.
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On a related note, it’d be great to be able to use mixed units when creating interval workouts. Maybe this sounds bonkers to those raised completely on the metric system, but in the US we runners use mixed units. My workout today from my coach: warm up 2 miles, then pyramid intervals workout (200m, 400m, 600m, 800m, 1000m, and back down, with 200m recovery jog between each), then cool down 2 miles.
I’d like to program my intervals I might run during a track workout in metric (100m, 200m, 400m, 600m, 800m, 1000m, etc), but because our brains are used to Imperial, I always want to see my pace in minutes-per-mile. If my watch is set to Imperial (the only way I can see my pace in minutes-per-mile), I can only create distance intervals like 00.14 miles. Technically, 200 meters is 0.1242742 miles, but I can’t select that. I don’t absolutely need that much precision for my amateur workouts, but it just seems like it’d be very simple to implement, since the watch probably stores everything in meters anyway.
Similarly, our common race distances are mixed (5k, 10k, 10mi, 20mi, 50k, 50mi, 100k, or 100mi), but most of us always want to see our pace in minutes-per-mile because that’s how we’re used to pacing.
Garmin and COROS have been handling this just fine for years. Feels like second-class status using a Suunto for workouts like this.
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On a related note, it’d be great to be able to use mixed units when creating interval workouts. Maybe this sounds bonkers to those raised completely on the metric system, but in the US we runners use mixed units.
Some of us are enlightened and only use metric. 🥳 be wacky and mix things as you wish but don’t claim you speak for all US runners.
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@davemaps Combining distance in km with pace in minutes per mile is what I really wanted this summer when I was racing UTMB in Europe.
This is possible with Garmin by the way where pace / speed is a separate unit independent from distance unit.
What is even worse, when distance is in km, vertical speed is tied to that. Even if I choose altitude to be in feet, vertical speed is shown in meters per hour. On Garmin, vertical speed has its own separate unit too.
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Also another route to consider, while waiting for Suunto to offer more flexibility, is a system of using power targets for time durations. This is what most people do for cycling structured workouts.
I know my running FTP is 242w and when I don’t have access to a track I can do 20s intervals at a local park that works out pretty close to 100m as shown in this report, then later did a longer effort over 12m just under threshold.
Having a target of 300w+ for those intervals can work as well as a pace target of 3:30/km or faster. So if for some reason one seems allergic to using km for pace or distance consider using watts and time instead?
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