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    • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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      Hi all Suunto watches have the same software except different firmware depending on the HW (eg GPS of Spartan via S9).

      If s9 becomes stable etc Spartan becomes as well.

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        zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 5:

        Hi all Suunto watches have the same software except different firmware depending on the HW (eg GPS of Spartan via S9).

        If s9 becomes stable etc Spartan becomes as well.

        👍

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          dulko79 @Brad_Olwin
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          @Brad_Olwin Thank you for detailed answer. I have two more questions, are workouts (defined by intensity and duration) also structured ? For example, is running activity divided into warm up phase, main phase and cool down phase or is there only one phase ? After finishing all workouts during week, do you get any feedback regarding fitness improvement, like text summary or just fitness values - VO2max ? On the watch or in SA ?

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          • Frédéric FiandinoF Offline
            Frédéric Fiandino @cosme.costa
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            @cosmecosta hello, first of all sorry for the late response.
            I partly share your analysis, the bottom of my thought is rather directed to the general feeling of users. Everyone agrees on the quality of the hardware (except SST, another debate …), but you can not deny that a large number of users are, today, frustrated by the software, that he is embarked or deported. The support for the Ambit series and its future, the intervals, the brief analysis offered by the application, the abandonment of movescount.com … I will not redo the list.
            Indeed everything is not bad, far from it, some subject subject advance, others not.
            Very honestly I am very happy with my Spartan Sport WHR, but having had an Ambit 3 before, I never managed to part with this feeling of frustration. I am surely not the only one.
            No one can say that the Suunto ecosystem is now mature, yet new watches come out with new functionality and they are not sold by crownfunding, it is not about funding a project. Suunto knows the market, to an expertise and an experience however since the Spartan range it looks like newbies.
            To end up positive, I love my Spartan so much that I do not intend to change it and sincerely hope that Suunto will be able to reduce the accumulated backlog and that it will regain the confidence that has been eroded over time.
            Good day to all

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              pilleus @Frédéric Fiandino
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              @Frédéric-Fiandino said in Suunto 5:

              Ambit 3

              … is for me the choice for daily usage. I have a Spartan Ultra too, but even outside the display is not as good readable as the one of the Ambit 3, the light mode can only be used in a training, the touch screen is a no go with sweaty fingers and some other things more.

              I do not understand why there is no new watch without OHR (it’s not usable while riding a bike) and without touch screen. To obtain proper heart rate there is no alternative to a chest strap.

              An Ambit 3 with the new Sony chip for energy saving GPS and the possibility of vibration (timer, heart rate zones, warnings concerning the weather) is definitely missing. Without touch screen and without OHR.

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              • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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                @pilleus said in Suunto 5:

                I do not understand why there is no new watch without OHR (it’s not usable while riding a bike) and without touch screen. To obtain proper heart rate there is no alternative to a chest strap.

                Finally ! Someone said it 😄

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                • Frédéric FiandinoF Offline
                  Frédéric Fiandino @pilleus
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                  @pilleus Attention must also take into account the logic of the economic market.
                  Suunto must conquer new users and unfortunately an Ambit 4 in the logic of the Ambit series would be today a commercial failure oposite the competition. Suunto does not have the means of Garmin, each new product must imperatively find his public.

                  Regarding the OHR, it is to meet the demand of the market only, all people who want a specific data use a belt. The impoderables of the use of the OHR are too numerous to have a reliable data (movement of the wrist, cold, clothing, position …) the algorithms have their limits.

                  Race
                  S9P with a firmware too
                  SSSWHR with a firmware inside
                  Ambit 3 Run

                  https://runalyze.com/athlete/Fred13270

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                    A Former User @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 5:

                    @pilleus said in Suunto 5:

                    I do not understand why there is no new watch without OHR (it’s not usable while riding a bike) and without touch screen. To obtain proper heart rate there is no alternative to a chest strap.

                    Finally ! Someone said it 😄

                    I said it many times - here and on Facebook. For every person with S9 who I follow, their entire runs are always all in zone 5. How is that useful? And, of course, all the derived VOMax metrics, if they were introduced on S9, would be complete garbage, as long as optical HR is used.

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                    • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest
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                      @silentvoyager I have good OHR readings you can check my runs 😉 1/3 is with OHR if its slow one and you can detect some peaks at start 😉

                      But I dont care about OHR per se. I prefer to remove + add something else

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                      • plopes73P Offline
                        plopes73 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos +1 since I’ve moved the watch to my right wrist ✌


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                          oeagleo @Brad_Olwin
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                          @Brad_Olwin said in Suunto 5:

                          @suzzlo I understand you. The compactness of the 5 is nice. It does well without a barometer, I can show examples. I think it might do less well with small changes, my runs rarely have less than 300m.

                          “Compactness”? It’s bigger than the Fenix 5+. But I guess it is smaller than the Fenix 5X+, so… 🙂

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                          • zhang965Z Offline
                            zhang965
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                            could it be better if suunto 9 = 7, suunto 9 baro =9;
                            so we already have 3 5 7 9?

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                            • Václav KrálV Offline
                              Václav Král @Guest
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                              @silentvoyager OMG. I would never take a watch without OHR. S9 works fine, 24/7 OHR is super COOL and during running and hiking is very useful. And where OHR fails, I can use HR strap.
                              But I don´t want never ever sporttester without OHR.

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                                A Former User @Václav Král
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                                @Václav-Král said in Suunto 5:

                                @silentvoyager OMG. I would never take a watch without OHR. S9 works fine, 24/7 OHR is super COOL and during running and hiking is very useful. And where OHR fails, I can use HR strap.
                                But I don´t want never ever sporttester without OHR.

                                Are you absolutely sure you are getting correct results? I ran with a HR belt for many years, so I know quite well what kind of HR I should have for different levels of effort. It takes a lot of effort for me to push my HR above 165, and more typically it is in 140-150 range. But with optical HR it goes straight to 170-190 range and pretty much stays there, occasionally going above 200. So basically it measures my cadence rather than HR. Occasionally it drops to the correct HR but at least 75% percent of the time it is wrong. I tried many different suggestions how to make it more reliable, but short of shaving my arms, which I won’t do, the results are the same As I said, I also looked at a few other runners who I know are running with S9, and see the same thing.

                                If you are young and have a short history of running, your typical HR ranges could be fairly close to your cadence, so you may not know if you are getting correct values or not.

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                                  Armin S. @zhang965
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                                  @zhang965 said in Suunto 5:

                                  could it be better if suunto 9 = 7, suunto 9 baro =9;
                                  so we already have 3 5 7 9?

                                  I do not think they will rename existing models. Rather, I believe that the new S5 with baro etc. will be later the next S7.

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                                  • zhang965Z Offline
                                    zhang965 @Armin S.
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                                    @Armin-S said in Suunto 5:

                                    @zhang965 said in Suunto 5:

                                    could it be better if suunto 9 = 7, suunto 9 baro =9;
                                    so we already have 3 5 7 9?

                                    I do not think they will rename existing models. Rather, I believe that the new S5 with baro etc. will be later the next S7.

                                    yes but they renamed once suunto 9 to suunto 9 baro

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                                      Egika Platinum Member @zhang965
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                                      @zhang965 said in Suunto 5:

                                      @Armin-S said in Suunto 5:

                                      @zhang965 said in Suunto 5:

                                      could it be better if suunto 9 = 7, suunto 9 baro =9;
                                      so we already have 3 5 7 9?

                                      I do not think they will rename existing models. Rather, I believe that the new S5 with baro etc. will be later the next S7.

                                      yes but they renamed once suunto 9 to suunto 9 baro

                                      and I thought both exist in parallel ?

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                                      • zhang965Z Offline
                                        zhang965 @Egika
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                                        @Egika
                                        Yes but initially suunto 9 has baro, just months after they showed a suunto 9 without baro and renamed old 9 to 9 baro

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                                        • zhang965Z Offline
                                          zhang965
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                                          Suunto 9 Baro
                                          Just released in June 2018 so don’t expect a replacement before 2020 This is the device reviewed as “Suunto 9” by most reviewers, but is not the newer, crapper Suunto 9

                                          Suunto 9
                                          Just released in September 2018 so don’t expect a replacement before 2020. This is the name in all the reviews, but a newer, slightly crap version of the device. Buyer beware, make sure you know what you’re buying. Yes, Suunto do have a watch called the Suunto 9 in both mid-range and high-end. Madness.

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                                          • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
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                                            @zhang965 said in Suunto 5:

                                            Yes, Suunto do have a watch called the Suunto 9 in both mid-range and high-end.

                                            what do you mean? How is the non baro version mid range if I understand correctly ?

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