Suunto 9 Peak
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@thanasis said in Suunto 9 Peak:
Storytelling in corporations is the story, the purpose , the message behind the reason of existence . The message put across to your the customers and the prospective ones .
Good explanation. Thanks for this. I assumed storytelling in the perspective of a tale. And that kinda made me react. Sorry for that my apologies.
I don’t want to raise hopes and promise features but we do have a long set of upcoming changes that we hope to deliver asap during this year. In the past Suunto had this with the Spartans and it all went south.
Arguably the s9P could have a more feature rich launch but then again we decided to let the features trickle down to other s series watches.
Allow me to take one step more and suggest to chat in pm.
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@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 Peak:
but then again we decided to let the features trickle down to other s series watches.
muuuch appreciated
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@thanasis I have had Suunto, Polar and Garmin. Yes Garmin offers a lot compared to the others. BUT the metrics relevant for sport activities are so incorrect that immediately all the related and dependent metrics are a pile of sh…t (sorry for my language). The gps yes it looks so ‘smooth’ when you look at the map. When you check the distance and the pace though…. a random numbers. I will not get into details but I have both the f6x and s9b and on my half marathon (S9 showed 21.2, all the maps incl. Garmin explore show 21.1 and my f6 showed…. 20.1. That is a km shorter for crying out loud. And people have been complaining about it’s inaccurate pace since the day it released but the FW updates of Garmin have something like: enhance and improve dog tracker function, measure steps while skiing, etc. never dealing with the real audience of the outdoor watch. Suunto and Polar are so much better for athletes that need accuracy. Where Polar lacks its the build quality of Suunto and being made in China (no disrespect here but if you want EU product pay EU prices). In the end there is Xiaomi and Apple they both offer mobile devices with similar functionalities, what you choose is based on your preferences and ‘liking’.
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A lot of people write about the amount of data recorded by other watches (eg Garmin) compared to Suunto waches… and it is the argument that Suunto is not keeping up with the competitors.
I wonder if any of these people wonder about the quality of this data?
Stride length, ground contact time, etc. etc. and on the half marathon their watch shows a distance of 20 km … but that is not a problem for them the most important thing is to have 3 pages of indicators
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@aroo7 5% error doesn’t seem to big to me. I haven’t conducted a study, but it seems pretty coincidental to me that suunto was so spot on.
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@thanasis I tried a lot of sports watches the last 12 month but for me Suunto are the ones which I feel suit my style of living and training best. There are things I miss from Suunto and I can find them on Polar watches or Garmin or Coros etc., but my Suunto watches are the ones I feel “at home” with. Actually I sold my Fenix 6 Pro, although it had all features you could ask for, because the data didn’t “talk” to me and I did not really enjoy it but it felt more like “work”. I want to know if my training shows an impact to my body resources over the last 3,6… months and I can do this with Suunto but not with Garmin or have a fast look on my weekly/monthly heat map for any sport (or a special one) and plan a quick route to explore some paths I haven’t been before… that all works so easy and seamless with Suunto and I enjoy it. I think you will never find a perfect sports watch and you will always miss something another brand will have, so I won’t look so much on 10.000 features, (when it covers the basic ones) but on the feeling it gives you when using it. When you are looking forward to start every new activity with your watch and enjoy using it, then I think you’ve found the right one, no matter how expensive or cheap it was.
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@дима-мельниченко I’ve run a couple of half marathons. Every second day 10 to 15kms and on all these runs fenix is 800m to 1km shorter. And the pace…. Well I was pushing hard in zone 4 Suunto tells me 3:45 pace and it fills like I am at my limits and the fenix tells me 7:30…. Wtf. It must be because I moved the hand to check the watch and stopped the accelerometer. Than on my recovery sector of the same run Suunto shows me 5:30 an it feels correct cause I know my performance but fenix decides to finally catch up due to the previous lag and shows 4:10.
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@hristijan-petreski can confirm this. Although I am a slow runner (much slower than you
) the Fenix 6 pro especially in the beginning of a run showed me weird numbers like 11:30 when I was actually running much faster (somewhere between 7:xx or: 6:xx). Raising my arm 5 seconds later it showed 9:xx or 10:xx, then settled for the real pace and kept it mostly, but I never had this on any other watch… -
@hristijan-petreski oh, just mention the distance, bad pace estimate is probably indeed annoying. Tbh I never bothered to check how well s9 goes against route length predicted afterwards, but to me an error below 10% from GPS watch on a wobbly hand not in perfect satellite reception conditions is totally acceptable. Of course it’s good to know that the watch does so well. Concerning pace: I notice that s9 normally overshoots estimates a little bit, but I can only say so about walking/hiking - maybe 7-8kmh is not enough to obtain the best precision.
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And some honest feedback. Today I did an ows.
I was not so pleased with the s9P. It was okish. I had better results with s9b.
It’s not so bad but I would have expected better because the rest of the test such as running and cycling etc were top notch. Am I expecting too much ? Idk.
Next time I’ll bring my s9B for swimking to be able to compare.
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@thanasis I have been using Suunto watches since 1998. I have also tried numerous Garmin watches, Polar, Apple Watch and a couple other smart watches. I will respond to the consumer needs obviously from my point of view. There are a few features I would like to see Suunto adopt but they are fairly specialized. Suunto’s watches are far more robust for hardware and firmware than any brand I have tried. I depend on my watch to work. No other brand comes close (Polar hardware is good too). For features and firmware, Suunto’s navigation is far better than any other. For me navigation features are my #1 priority. I always thought maps on a watch were useless, and I would argue they are not that useful. However, the Suunto 7 is a demonstration of how maps can be done right. So, I disagree with you and rather than considering the brand “Premium” I consider the brand Robust, for longevity and for use.
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@dimitrios-kanellopoulos does ohr work for swimming or belt is needed?
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@дима-мельниченко I was gifted the 6x by my sis cause she has fenix 5 and also I needed the running metrics at the time. I am not saying it does not have good metrics too especially taken from their belt. But always when we hiked 20 to 26km routes from Komoot her fenix 5 would show distance 1km more than the route (as my S9 due to the pauses we took walking here and there to photo) and my f6x was always 2km to 4km short. I have no idea why.
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@dulko79 works with outdoor swimming
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Sorry for polluting the s9p post
Here is some interesting findings as well: https://www.euspa.europa.eu/newsroom/news/sample-galileo-enabled-wearables-test-results-are-in -
@дима-мельниченко said in Suunto 9 Peak:
@hristijan-petreski , but to me an error below 10% from GPS watch on a wobbly hand not in perfect satellite reception conditions is totally acceptable.
I agree with you, wobbly hand is a difficult problem.
When my suunto 9 is attached on the bike the tracks are really near perfection .
On the other hand suunto has a strong experience in fused track and should take into account the accelerometer and compass to filter GPS temporary loss like when you are under trees . A sort of permanent fused track -
@freeheeler so does this mean you have to use Suunto straps? Because the pins are a fatter 22mm pin
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@tgvic210
for the peak I don’t know. for my S9B I’ve ordered from an “alternative” supplier because orange was not available at Suunto… -
@dulko79 for me it worked okish. I have no refernece.
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I have all bells and whistles enabled on peak, backlight medium raise on wake and training 9-10h a week with performance gps, battery needs recharging after 5-6 days. I wonder what would happen if I send S9b for battery service. That 3 yr old eats battery in 2 and a half days with same workload.