Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.

[Brad_Olwin]

@enriqueescoms I agree with text size in S+ apps, it is too small but for watch screens I am OK. Vibration and counter in intervals I and many other testers have requested, hopefully planned.
I do not know why TSS and CTL is off by one day for some. I have a watch running production firmware and it works for me but is fixed for all in the next update.

[GiPFELKiND]

@Brad_Olwin when the next Update will come? All say the new Update, the new Update. But noone have actually a new update

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

I must be the only one who feels that the size of data fields is too large on 9PP as the numbers are crammed together without enough space which makes it hard to read.

For example - when using 4 fields, top two fields just stack together like a one long number.

In 3 fields, top and middle field are almost identical in size making it hard to differentiate between the fields contents and significance.

All this is in regards to reading the fields quickly, without taking time to decipher the screen.

[Luis Andés Olmedo]

@David-l said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:

So, with deep regret, I’m having to go back to a Fenix X. Suunto Race for sale if anyone is in the UK.

I come to the same conclusion every few days… but for now I continue with the Race.

By the way, good luck with the sale, second-hand prices for the Race are very low.

[Brad_Olwin]

@GiPFELKiND It will come when testing is completed and Suunto releases it.

[vjakub]

@Brad_Olwin I understand you cannot share much but is there any change in relation to display brightness in sleeping mode?

[sartoric]

@vjakub said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:

I understand you cannot share much

Here you have your answer

[Brad_Olwin]

@Luis-Andés-Olmedo and @Matúš I understand you have valid reasons to go back to Garmin. The two companies differ dramatically in their philosophy, design and UI. Don’t expect Suunto to Garminize or Garmin to Suuntofy. You should be satisfied with what you have. Hardware, firmware and the apps will change but the underlying foundation will likely not.

[David l]

@Brad_Olwin said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:

@Luis-Andés-Olmedo and @Matúš I understand you have valid reasons to go back to Garmin. The two companies differ dramatically in their philosophy, design and UI. Don’t expect Suunto to Garminize or Garmin to Suuntofy. You should be satisfied with what you have. Hardware, firmware and the apps will change but the underlying foundation will likely not.

Theres nothing wrong with the foundation - the watch is really good but there issues with it that mean it sometimes isn’t fit for purpose.

[Matúš]

@Matúš said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:

@enriqueescoms said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.

Having said all this, and what really bothers me, at the moment I am still compensated by the quality of the watch itself as an object and the minimalist approach. So I will continue to give my vote of confidence to Suunto.

@Brad_Olwin, I’ve never said that I want to go back to Garmin, indeed, I am keeping my concerning the consolidation of the Suunto platform.

I’m quite well with my 9PP, i.e., I do not need/want any other Suunto or whatever competitor watch, but, let’s say, I will be definitely happy when Suunto will be able to fix all(most) the bugs related to watch(es) basic features.

In an other thread, someone has said something like “Suunto has to sell products not 100% bug-free in order to reinvest the income in the R&D of features (that everyone want) and new watches (that everyone want)”: overlooking the need of new watches (I’m the type of guy which has not to change any device each year…) ok, that’s good, but what I’m seeing is that the majority of the users on this forum are complaining about certain lacks in the watches base software, nothing more.

So, just saying, many think that watches updates to fix basic problems should be preferable, let’s say, once a month and not once every three months, but including the feature to be able to run on the Moon across the space.

[renton82]

Unfortunately i’m on the same way to go back to Garmin, bug fixing is too slow, you can’t wait months for fixing bugs from small one to major one. Considering life cycle of these devices you passes half of their lifes waiting for bugfix until all features work as it should. Watches are great but software development is awful.

[vjakub]

@renton82 Luckily I have found a buyer for my Garmin Epix2. There are some bits like AOD full watch-face or a way the watch behaves during the sleep mode that would be nice to have in Suunto (at least optional) but none of these change the fact that I’m still in love my SR

[renton82]

@vjakub I have never sold my Garmin, you can sold it to another one.

[enriqueescoms]

@Matúš Basically agree

[vjakub]

@renton82 Haha, apologies for the confusion. I didn’t mean you I’m selling them this Saturday

[cosme.costa]

With all the respects to everybody and agreeing that everything that is introduced should work but in my opinion most of the complains here are small things that most of them is said that will be solved in the next update and doesn’t degrade the sports usefulness of the watch (which in my opinion is the most important thing)

You can be a little bit pissed because CTL is one day off but for me will be worst if instant pace or altitude is not reliable.
On the other hand, honest question, instead of saying what make you leave Suunto I ask you what make you choose Garmin (or other brand)? What has this other brand that if far better and a decision point to go with them?

In my case I’m pretty pissed with my Garmin (530 edge) disconnecting every now and then from the sensors, restarting from time to time mid activity, the stupid rerouting system when you actively do not follow the loaded track among other things. I do love the integration with Strava segments and ClimbPro (it is a pity the delay that it has in %ascent/descent when using ClimbPro).

BTW I completely agree that Suunto should improve the text size in structured workouts and add the step number (as intervals.icu does)

[David l]

@cosme-costa said in Unfortunately time to go back to Garmin.:

With all the respects to everybody and agreeing that everything that is introduced should work but in my opinion most of the complains here are small things that most of them is said that will be solved in the next update and doesn’t degrade the sports usefulness of the watch (which in my opinion is the most important thing)

You can be a little bit pissed because CTL is one day off but for me will be worst if instant pace or altitude is not reliable.
On the other hand, honest question, instead of saying what make you leave Suunto I ask you what make you choose Garmin (or other brand)? What has this other brand that if far better and a decision point to go with them?

In my case I’m pretty pissed with my Garmin (530 edge) disconnecting every now and then from the sensors, restarting from time to time mid activity, the stupid rerouting system when you actively do not follow the loaded track among other things. I do love the integration with Strava segments and ClimbPro (it is a pity the delay that it has in %ascent/descent when using ClimbPro).

BTW I completely agree that Suunto should improve the text size in structured workouts and add the step number (as intervals.icu does)

I’m quite happy with the watch and waiting for fixes but when you don’t know what fixes should be coming, it’s like asking how long is a piece of string.

The issues I have are not little for me.

[Todd Danielczyk]

@David-l If history is any indication we typically see updates in Fall and Summer. I would say it would be safe to assume sometime in late June to early July we would see the next firmware update.

Again speculation, and going off history but that is typically the timeframe. Bug fixes are usually addressed in the summer updates (Fall tends to have more feature updates).

My Baro 9 had GPS issues in the beginning but they were sorted out by the time summer rolled around and I was using tracking more (biking, hiking, camping etc.). I always go for hardware, software is a rolling target and (at least to me) is fixed over time versus being stuck

[Audaxjoe]

One thing I find strange is no one mentions Garmin’s bugs. As an ex Garmin user for over a decade I never had a unit of their, be it watch, bike computer, bathroom scales or GPS that didn’t have bugs.
I moved to Suunto (and Wahoo for bike computer) several years ago and have found both much more reliable than Garmin. And in the Suunto case it also feels much better made
In my local cycling club ten years ago Garmin was universal, now Wahoo is probably the most used, because of the universal issues with Garmin bike computers. Still a lot use Garmin and apparently the newer models are more reliable.

I’m not knocking Garmin, but to think they are bug free and everything comes to market with no faults is at odds with my experience.

[Prenj]

To be honest, I really like the Race. I love the display and really impressive battery for an amoled watch. The digital crown is so satisfying to use. It’s whole new level… And back button! My god I missed this so much since a3p! Maps look great and they rotate as you move so much faster than all the competitor watches on the market. Great user experience!!!

I can’t really find any serious flaws. Only minor complaint I have is this altitude drifting when not recording activity. That looks like a bug to me, so I hope it will be addressed in some future updates…

I don’t have any insight into sales, but I bet Suunto race is already a big hit! Well done Suunto!