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    Brad_Olwin Moderator @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
    last edited by 12 Jun 2019, 19:16

    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 5:

    Nope for sure not 3%

    Agreed not 3%

    Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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      dulko79
      last edited by 12 Jun 2019, 19:27

      Agreed not 3 % 😉

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      iOS

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        whl_89 Bronze Member @dulko79
        last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 09:06

        I bought my girlfriend a s5 and after a fews runs i am a bit confused because the ascent recorded by the watch is about 50% of the real ascent. I use the ssu. I know s5 has no baro but at least it should record the GPS ascent which is about the same i her from the ssu. Is this a known issue?

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          Saketo Nemo Moderator
          last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 09:15

          Have you tried a full vertical track, without d- ?
          Going from 300m to 800m should results 500d+, in S5 and also in SSU.

          In tracks where there are many up and down you will not have the same results because GPS device store d+ only each 7m gained, BARO device each 3m.

          btw, 50% less is too much…

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            suzzlo Moderator @whl_89
            last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 12:13

            @whl_89 Same here with SSSW (no baro). Are ascend step sort? Usually in my 10-15k run with +400m always have less than +200m

            😞

            Suunto: Race, S9Peak, Spartan Sport Wrist
            Garmin: FR745, Edge 530
            SA topics:

            • Guides - https://forum.suunto.com/tags/guides
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              whl_89 Bronze Member @Saketo Nemo
              last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 12:44

              @Saketo-Nemo i just made two runs with ups and downs but both around 50% of actual ascent. I mean i am aware of the non existing baro in s5 but this huge differences are really bad for a 300€ device

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                whl_89 Bronze Member @suzzlo
                last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 12:46

                @suzzlo mixed ascents but shouldnt there bei an algorithm to overcome those recording gaps within those 7m?

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                  Saketo Nemo Moderator
                  last edited by Saketo Nemo 21 Jun 2019, 12:55

                  just my curiosity: can you share the link of the two activity ? (also in pvt if you want)

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                    whl_89 Bronze Member @Saketo Nemo
                    last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 13:03

                    @Saketo-Nemo I will upload them later

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                      whl_89 Bronze Member @Saketo Nemo
                      last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 14:25

                      @Saketo-Nemo

                      S5:
                      link text

                      SSU:
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                        Dušan Ković
                        last edited by Dušan Ković 21 Jun 2019, 14:41

                        Out of curiosity, I wanted to see the altitude diference, so I imported both to QS:

                        S5:

                        suunto 5.jpg

                        SSU:

                        SSU.jpg

                        Both have similar graph shape and are in similar altitude ranges, but SSU seems a bit jagged compared to the S5 which looks smooth. Not sure which one is correct. But I’m guessing that SSU has more altitude difference because all those small spikes, also bigger drops in altitude on multiple places.

                        SR
                        SA latest beta
                        Polar Verity Sense
                        Pixel 6

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                          whl_89 Bronze Member @Dušan Ković
                          last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 14:43

                          @Dušan-Ković If i plan this route in komoot or Suunto App altitude differences of ssu is quite correct and s5 ist about 50%. SSU works fine i think

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                            Dušan Ković @whl_89
                            last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 14:46

                            @whl_89 One of my friends wants to buy S5, so I’m searching for possible problems with watch. Maybe this is one of the problems with S5. Have you tried GPS, GPS+GLONASS or GPS + GALILEO on the same route with S5?

                            SR
                            SA latest beta
                            Polar Verity Sense
                            Pixel 6

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                              suzzlo Moderator @whl_89
                              last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 14:46

                              @whl_89 same here

                              Suunto: Race, S9Peak, Spartan Sport Wrist
                              Garmin: FR745, Edge 530
                              SA topics:

                              • Guides - https://forum.suunto.com/tags/guides
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                                whl_89 Bronze Member @Dušan Ković
                                last edited by 21 Jun 2019, 16:08

                                @Dušan-Ković i would still recommend it great watch

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                                  Armin S. @Dušan Ković
                                  last edited by Armin S. 21 Jun 2019, 16:20

                                  @Dušan-Ković YES, there is a little problem ☺
                                  Run 16.6. with S5 GPS+Galileo. After 0:30 it’s very faulty:
                                  F1999941-C0D7-4AEA-AF8A-305FA573349E.jpeg
                                  Same route 10.6. with S3F (connected GPS):
                                  4E49D0ED-1F8C-460E-A516-9749018DA5DC.jpeg
                                  Same days and same routs exports to Strava:
                                  16.6.
                                  911DC142-3DCE-4B3F-AD90-562D8FAAFEFC.jpeg
                                  10.6.
                                  345CAFAE-87CA-4C2A-9ECA-11E3CED13A0F.jpeg

                                  Start level 40…42m, highest point 50…52m would be correct!

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                                    sartoric Moderator @Dušan Ković
                                    last edited by sartoric 21 Jun 2019, 16:58

                                    @Dušan-Ković said in Suunto 5:

                                    @whl_89 One of my friends wants to buy S5, so I’m searching for possible problems with watch. Maybe this is one of the problems with S5. Have you tried GPS, GPS+GLONASS or GPS + GALILEO on the same route with S5?

                                    My 2 cents … if he’s some kind of mountaineer , tell him to go for a baro watch otherwise GPS only is ok.

                                    SVTS - 2.40.38
                                    SSSWHR BARO Amber - 2.8.32
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                                    Samsung A33 2022 - Android 14 - One UI 6.1
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                                      Dušan Ković @sartoric
                                      last edited by Dušan Ković 21 Jun 2019, 20:45

                                      @sartoric @Armin-S @whl_89 Thanks to all. I’ll send him the link to this thread 🙂

                                      SR
                                      SA latest beta
                                      Polar Verity Sense
                                      Pixel 6

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                                        Brad_Olwin Moderator @whl_89
                                        last edited by Brad_Olwin 21 Jun 2019, 21:19

                                        @whl_89 said in Suunto 5:

                                        I bought my girlfriend a s5 and after a fews runs i am a bit confused because the ascent recorded by the watch is about 50% of the real ascent. I use the ssu. I know s5 has no baro but at least it should record the GPS ascent which is about the same i her from the ssu. Is this a known issue?

                                        I have done a lot of runs with both the S5 and S9 together, most of the time on the same arm. The S5 is always short in altitude, I mentioned this much earlier in the thread. If you care a lot about real time vertical it is not the right watch. However, I rarely see 50%, most of the time my differences are below 20%. The worst scenario for the S5 are lots of small hills as it does not record a change unless 7m. On big climbs it is much better. If you like I can post some of my SkiMo runs or runs with at least 500m altitude change. I do think that GSP+Galileo gives better altitude readings on the S5 but I have not thoroughly analyzed this yet. Third party sites (Strava, etc) will correct the altitude so in the end it isn’t that big a deal in my opinion.
                                        I still think the S5 is a great watch and most of the time I use it for my weekday runs and just let the 3rd party apps correct the altitude. The SSU and S5 should be similar for ascent. Make sure AGPS is current and I would use GPS+Galileo.

                                        Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                          Dušan Ković @Brad_Olwin
                                          last edited by 22 Jun 2019, 05:05

                                          @Brad_Olwin maybe suunto app should add altitude correction as one of the features. So users can choose to see corrected altitude and original as watch recorded

                                          SR
                                          SA latest beta
                                          Polar Verity Sense
                                          Pixel 6

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